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    Review: Odinblades Custom Type XIIa Ring Pommel

    John Lundemo Custom Odinblade Irish Ring Pommel: " Laird"


    Review by Marc Kaden Ridgeway---------------------Barnesville GA, 27 Feb 2010






    Just before Christmas my Incredible girl , Stacy, decided to give me a wonderful gift. She gave me a budget for a sword and I set out to decide what to buy.

    After kicking Around some ideas,finally I decided upon John Lundemo.

    Her Mothers "clan" was Laird (meaning "Lord") and they are of direct nothern Irish descent.
    So I designed a sword with her heritage in mind... and sent my idea off to John, with the admonition ... " make it an Odin"...

    A VERY few short months later the well- crated fruition of my design and Johns talent was delivered to my door.

    Here is some rough sketches of my design...








    John took my design, improved upon it... and realized it in breath-taking fashion. He truly took my vision and made it an Odin...




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    Specifications


    OAL------------------------- 50 in
    Blade length-------------------------37 in
    Grip----------------------------------- 10 in
    Hilt-------------------------------------13 in
    Pommel-------------------------------2.25 in
    Guard Width------------------------8.5 in
    width at base-----------------------2.25 in
    Width 1.5 in from tip --------------1 in
    COP------------------------------------24 in
    COG------------------------------------4.25 in
    Weight---------------------------------3lbs,11ozs














    Aesthetics

    Pommel is a ring pommel , 2.25in. across, with a trapezoidal peen block. The guard is an S quillion (type 12) guard and is 8.5 inches across. Both are darkened. The handle is 10 inches of brown leather over thick cord. It is hexagonal shaped and nicely tapered to a central , hexagonal copper ring. The copper ring is inscribed with the name of the sword., and the name of Lady Stacy's family: "Laird ". The inscription is in runes of the elder Futhark alphabet, since I was not able to find Gaelic script that satisfied me . The entire hilt assembly flows together in a way that surprises even me . It is exceptional.

    The blade is a type XIIa in a high satin finish. It is 37 inches long and 2.25 inches at the base, tapering to 1 inch before forming the point. The central Fuller is near-mirror polished and the base of the blade sports Johns artfully wrought makers mark.






    Last edited by Glen C.; 01-21-2012 at 05:58 AM. Reason: per poster request

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    Construction:Fit & Finish

    The Laird is solid and well built with its peened assembly and nice smooth peen.

    The pommel was cut from a solid block of mild steel and the guard was hammer forged to shape.

    The blade is 5160H steel which has a higher carbon content than regular 5160. It was quenched in 400 degree oil and tempered at 400 for 1 hour and then 350 for 1 hour.

    The grip is woodcore with cord and thin leather wrap. The seam is absolutely flawlesss

    Did I mention this sword is damn well put together?













    Handling Characteristics

    The Laird is a big sword, but not an unweildy one, but then, I am a fairly big guy. At 3 lbs 11 ounces it handles like a lighter sword with its 4.25 in COG.

    The pommel tapers in thickness, which aids in the weight distribution and handling.

    The primary handling node is just south of the guard and the secondary just south of the riser.

    The handle is slim, waisted and tapered. It is very tactile with its shaping and leather-over-cord wrap.



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    Cutting


    The Wide blade is incredibly , hair-popping sharp. It cuts very well. I am still waiting for tatami, but did a bit of cutting with bottles and bamboo.

    I am not very good with longswords at all, I'm a bare beginner... but nonetheless have no problems cutting with the Laird.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGdXfESvnUE













    Last edited by M.K. Ridgeway; 03-03-2010 at 04:02 AM.

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    The Good,The Bad & The Ugly



    Well, this will be a tough section for me to complete. This is where I get critical about the sword... and I really don't have anything to say. I also list pros and cons here... but as there are NO cons, I will summarize the pros in the conclusion ... and cancel this section






















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    Conclusion

    The Laird is an incredible sword in every sense of the word. The artistry, the performance , the attention to detail are all second to none, and surpass any old production sword out there.

    The wait time was minimal , in fact less than the pre-order time on many production swords these days.

    John was INCREDIBLE to work with... INCREDIBLE. He was personable, communicative, responsive, prompt , efficient , punctual and precise. He realized my vision , but improved upon it
    as well... in every way it was the BEST experience I have ever had with a craftsman.

    Now for the sticking point... the point which will leave evryonr shaking their head in disbelief .... the price.

    Usually it is in poor taste to speak of price agreed upon between craftsman and commissioner, however in this case the artist has asked me to do so...

    The Laird came to my door for the price of $900 .... yep $900

    DAMN.... SCREW PRODUCTION SWORDS!!!!

    It is my conclusion that John Lundemo should make THE NEXT sword YOU buy....


    Thanks for reading.











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    One word - Cracking!

    I echo your sentiments on the price!
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    Marc,

    That's a great sword and a great group of photos!! Thanks for posting!

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    Omg

    You Got that for 900? I am aghast!!! AMAZING!! The sword is beautiful, your photography really makes it shine!! Excellent review and I am saving for something if you got THAT from John at that price......
    E TAN, E EPI TAS

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    Bumpity-bump-bump

    Sorry to shamelessly bump my own thread... just feel John deserves more exposure ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.K. Ridgeway View Post
    Sorry to shamelessly bump my own thread... just feel John deserves more exposure ...
    Agreed. It's a beautiful sword. After reading the review I immediately felt that I needed one of these, or something like it. I may have to give this Lundemo fellow a call.

    Thanks for sharing your sword and your story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.K. Ridgeway View Post
    Sorry to shamelessly bump my own thread... just feel John deserves more exposure ...
    I have a finished Odin on the way. So don't worry, your awesome sword won't be so lonely on here for much longer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Lassen View Post
    I have a finished Odin on the way. So don't worry, your awesome sword won't be so lonely on here for much longer...
    I'm glad to hear this. John mentioned several cool sounding swords that would be leaving his shop but so far, Marc's is the only one I've gotten to see!

    I've got a simple Odin in the works and I'll be sure to post pictures when I get it.

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    I knew that John was an excellent smith, but this for 900? Amazing! Conratulations on the sword and the bargain!
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    Wow...absolutely stunning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Lassen View Post
    I have a finished Odin on the way. So don't worry, your awesome sword won't be so lonely on here for much longer...
    Terrific !!! Cant wait to see it!!

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    I usually don't pay too much attention to European blades, but I need to start paying more attention from now on. Never would I have thought that for that price such a fabulous weapon could be made. Congrats!
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    Pricing

    This would make a nice addition to the Longship line.

    For an Odin, which is pure custom, I tend to think the pricing is unsustainable. When you factor the time involved in hand-carving steel & bronze hilt furniture, doing in-house heat treatment, and customizing grips, his hourly wage is probably in the single digits. Add in costs for materials and utilities, and the profit margin starts to look very, very small.

    Several years ago, Tinker ran some numbers to figure out the average minimum price he needed to charge for his custom swords just to stay in business. I recall the number was around $1,200... I would imagine the numbers for an Odin would be higher due to the custom heat treatment, the more elaborate hilt furniture, and the fancy scabbards John makes for custom pieces.

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    I don't think you could get this piece again for that price,,, I think John had some spots in his queue then... at any rate he asked me to post the price...
    Like I said, all the stars came together on this one. I wouldn't expect an Odin at that pricce again... but it is easily worth twice that.

    I know John's queue has been pretty busy... LOL

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    RE: The pricing and comments

    I would leave that between the owner and the maker. As mentioned in another thread, the price was reached under circumstantial events and it would be foolish to then set a price for the overall market based on that.

    When first meeting John in 2001, he regarded sword pricing as $400 and up. I have actually heard a similar price line since but as far as the current semi production pricing, that is fairly clearly stated and customs will always be customs.


    The derailment today may be well meant but your comment above Ty is kind of off topic to Marc's sword. There are current Long Ship threads you could be further contributing to in regard to pricing.

    Cheers

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    I think Ty was just pointing me towards something I could afford since a situation like this one is almost a celestial event. I believe that when you trust the craftsmanship and dedication of the craftsman, money is more of a formality. Its just unfortunate that the economy gets weaker but costs get higher. At this rate we'll see less and less work made by talented craftsmen as they struggle with a decline in demand and are unable to reduce their costs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glen C. View Post
    RE: The pricing and comments

    I would leave that between the owner and the maker. As mentioned in another thread, the price was reached under circumstantial events and it would be foolish to then set a price for the overall market based on that.

    When first meeting John in 2001, he regarded sword pricing as $400 and up. I have actually heard a similar price line since but as far as the current semi production pricing, that is fairly clearly stated and customs will always be customs.


    The derailment today may be well meant but your comment above Ty is kind of off topic to Marc's sword. There are current Long Ship threads you could be further contributing to in regard to pricing.

    Cheers

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    I agree Glen, and I never would have posted the price had I not been asked ...

    If you could change the title that would be great ! Thanks Glen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelo Silva View Post
    I think Ty was just pointing me towards something I could afford since a situation like this one is almost a celestial event. I believe that when you trust the craftsmanship and dedication of the craftsman, money is more of a formality. Its just unfortunate that the economy gets weaker but costs get higher. At this rate we'll see less and less work made by talented craftsmen as they struggle with a decline in demand and are unable to reduce their costs...
    Thanks, Angelo. That was my point, actually.

    IMO, I didn't 'derail' this thread. The review was posted two years ago... ...Angelo resurrected it because the price was a major point of interest to him.

    As for Longship, their pricing is fixed and posted for all the world to see.




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    This is the first time I saw this thread. As always Marc your review is very well done.

    As to the sword, It is a fantastic piece of work, and I think you for sharing it with us

    Dave

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    Thanks David... it is a hell of a sword. i need to make a correction. In the body of the review it says the blade is an XVIII ... I have no idea why the heck I said that ... its a XIIa

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