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    Yemeni sword?

    evening,

    i have acquired a blade that is puzzling me, i think its yemeni but it have a ottoman(?) symbol on the blade. here is some pictures :











    sorry about the bad pictures.

    yours,

    A.Alnakkas

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    İnteresting sword; three crescent moon is an Ottoman symbol but I don't think the sword is Turkish. It might be an Arabic saif from late 19th century.
    "The relationship between West(Occident) and East(Orient) is indeed an example of a relationship of power and domination. Orientalism is thus a style of thought based upon an ontological and epistemological distinction made between the Orient and the Occident. It is a Western style of dominating, restructuring and building hegemony over the Orient.İt is an accepted grid for filtering through the Orient into Western consciousness, into the general culture."
    From "Orientalism" by Edward Said

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    thanks mr.sancar.

    do you have any idea from where this blade may have originated? its previous owner told me its yemeni from the period of ottoman rule, though am not sure about this, since ottomans ruled yemen 500 years ago and i doubt this sword is that old. unless someone can actually confirm that.

    could it be that there is an arabic regime that used the same symbol as the ottomans? it might be syrian or iraqi, but i highly doubt that, as they used the curved swords, and the hilts are of different design (btw the hilt is horn so it seems).

    anyone else got an opinion?

    yours,

    A.Alnakkas
    Last edited by A. Alnakas; 03-30-2010 at 02:21 PM. Reason: misstell

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    From the style of the hilt I would agree that this was rehilted in Yemen. The blade may be european. It looks a lot like a kattara blade.

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    thank you!

    this is very possible, though does it explain the ottoman symbol? also the blade seen some use.. its beaten against something sharp so i guess it saw combat. also the blade is of decent quality.


    isnt kattara an omani sword?... come to think of it, oman isnt very far from yemen! though still the ottoman symbol is unexplained.

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    İf it is rehilted, the blade might have come from the Ottoman Arabia. That might explain the symbol. Or it might just be a decorative decision.
    "The relationship between West(Occident) and East(Orient) is indeed an example of a relationship of power and domination. Orientalism is thus a style of thought based upon an ontological and epistemological distinction made between the Orient and the Occident. It is a Western style of dominating, restructuring and building hegemony over the Orient.İt is an accepted grid for filtering through the Orient into Western consciousness, into the general culture."
    From "Orientalism" by Edward Said

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    The Ottoman Turks rulled Yemen for hundreds of years, up until the the 1920's. There is nothing suprising about finding Turkish blades in Yemen.

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    from what i know, the ottomans ruled yemen in the 15th and 16th century. and was under the rule of the zaidi's up until the 19th century.

    i've been looking on some kattara's they seemed to use the crescent alot as decoration. so could be an omani copying ottoman symbol or just random similarity.

    thanks for the input fellas

    A.Alnakkas

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    The crescent moon with three stars is a very common european makers mark.
    There are a couple of examples here:

    http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...3&page=2&pp=30

    While the Zaidi Imate was continuous until the 20th century, the Turks maintained control of the coast until the fall of the Ottoman empire.

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    I meant to add. I really like that sword. If you ever get tired of it, let me know.

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    Actually the Ottoman Turkish symbol, that I mentioned, is the three crescent moons; not the crescent moon and three stars.



    Yemen was a part of Ottoman Empire betwwen 15th to 16th century. After 16th century Zaidi İmamate gained independence, but Turks continued to control the coastal region. İn 19th century Ottoman Empire recaptured all of Yemen and kept the country until the end of W.W.1
    "The relationship between West(Occident) and East(Orient) is indeed an example of a relationship of power and domination. Orientalism is thus a style of thought based upon an ontological and epistemological distinction made between the Orient and the Occident. It is a Western style of dominating, restructuring and building hegemony over the Orient.İt is an accepted grid for filtering through the Orient into Western consciousness, into the general culture."
    From "Orientalism" by Edward Said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Blalock View Post
    I meant to add. I really like that sword. If you ever get tired of it, let me know.
    Ha! maybe we can trade someday

    thanks guys, this have been very educational to me.

    yours,
    A.Alnakkas

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