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    Thumbs up Bring out the brutes!

    When it comes to swords, there seem to be very few that don't have some kind of aesthetic embellishment -- blade etching, elaborate hilts, or unique grip materials -- incorporated into their design. However, there are some examples in which function triumphed over form.

    Here's one of my favorite brutes: the m1858 Austrian heavy cavalry trooper's sabre. Long (43 inches overall), heavy and a bit on the plain side, it has a certain functional beauty that I enjoy. It's a rare bird because it was replaced by another pattern in 1861, just a few years after its introduction. This example was made by Schnitzler and Kirschbaum sometime between 1858 and 1865. The scabbard was made by A & E Holler.

    What "brutish" swords -- basic, purposeful, and largely unadorned -- do you have in your collections?
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    1892 MkII

    The grip is a brute! 5 3/4"


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    More to basics, both long & heavy!

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    A similar brutish 1854 in horn
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    Then there are the complimentary sabres of that ilk
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    A petite sharp brute of an eagle
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    Cheers

    Hotspur; Can spadroons be brutish? I've a few plain examples of those.

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    Compact Brute

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    Was this thread prompted by my 1796HC's are brutish comment?
    I'm surprised no 1796HC's have been offered !!!

    ....but what about the lowly sabre briquet ? you can't get much simpler than that ...only 2 pieces of metal !

    Although no match for a full sized battle sword in a stand up fight ....
    ...surely a brute in a small package ?

    (and handy for chopping firewood !!)
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    Yes, Peter, it was your quip about the brutish p1796 that started me thinking about swords that some might consider "unlovely." That, and the fact that I was sending some photos -- my Austrian m1858 among them -- to Mark Cloke for his gallery pages on Oldswords.com.

    Sabre briquets would seem to qualify, as does this British p1859 Mk II cutlass bayonet -- it's all work and no play. Another unashamed brute (tho' I'd bet the poor swabbie that had to wield it on the end of a naval Enfield had some other choice names for it. )
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    This heavy blade should qualify

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    Ok, you asked for it, 1796 HC

    and, though I no longer have this one below...

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    Brutish cutlass..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Cain View Post
    Yes, Peter, it was your quip about the brutish p1796 that started me thinking about swords that some might consider "unlovely." That, and the fact that I was sending some photos -- my Austrian m1858 among them -- to Mark Cloke for his gallery pages on Oldswords.com.

    Sabre briquets would seem to qualify, as does this British p1859 Mk II cutlass bayonet -- it's all work and no play. Another unashamed brute (tho' I'd bet the poor swabbie that had to wield it on the end of a naval Enfield had some other choice names for it. )
    Mark,

    I feel quite chuffed as being the source for inspiration !

    Although I've posted this before...here's a little limerick you could
    have written in fancy script and framed next to you cutlass/bayonet on the wall in your den....

    '..There was an young sailor named Bates,
    who danced the 'fandango' on skates,
    a fall on his cutlass...rendered him nutless
    and practically useless on dates..'


    Pretty classey eh !
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    Thanks Will !!!

    (although the hilt is maybe a bit too pretty !)

    Matt,

    I'll pay those too, the Indian Regiments did have good taste
    with those 'old school' curved blades !
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    Move aside lightweights



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    This is unadorned heavy Portugeese Cavalry sword the only lettering being the AE for Arsenal Do Exercito (army arsenal of Portugal) which is on the base of the scabard and quillion, there is also a 6,2 and 20 probably componant numbers. The blade is 34inches and unmarked the grip with 3 bar guard is 6in the grip itself is 4.5in total length of 41 inches sheathed. This is a varient of the British 1821 likely made around 1860.
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    Is David playing fair with that basket hilt? I know, anything goes!! Where I am, we don't see those.

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    Well, Will, the hilt on David's broadsword isn't very brutish, but the blade more than qualifies (David, just how wide is that monster at the ricasso?). The same could be said for your p1796 HC -- arty hilt on a nasty blade.

    These are all wonderful, but where are the really ugly ducklings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Cain View Post
    Well, Will, the hilt on David's broadsword isn't very brutish, but the blade more than qualifies (David, just how wide is that monster at the ricasso?).
    A full two inches wide.

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    ...this just wouldn't be a brute thread without an appearance by this cutter!
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    I don't know about all of you, but when I think of brutish, I look at the total package. I'd rule out all the three bar hilts, anything French and baskethilts (although a cruciform would qualify nicely). Here are a couple with nothing to recommend them except a handle, minimal hand protection and a nice wide blade.





    BTW David, I really want one of those!
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    I sold this one a few years ago, but I think it qualifies as a brute (a beast, really). I believe it is know as an Italian M1860 cavalry trooper's sword. This example was made by Schnitzler & Kirschbaum. I would love to get one again. It is one of my favorite non-British models.






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    How could I forget!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by J.G. Hopkins View Post
    I sold this one a few years ago, but I think it qualifies as a brute (a beast, really). I believe it is know as an Italian M1860 cavalry trooper's sword. This example was made by Schnitzler & Kirschbaum. I would love to get one again. It is one of my favorite non-British models.

    Yes I have one of these and it is a beast. It makes my British P1885 and P1899 feel small and weak.

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    Jonathan,

    You beat me to the punch with the Italian 1860..it is nasty.

    As such, let me present the French Model 1833 Naval Cutlass and a British 1780 Light Cavalry sword.

    Rob
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    Nice, Rob! I like the French cutlass. Last year (or was it the year before?) at the Hartford Show there was an Italian cutlass that was based on the French model. It was a monster!




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    This is my favorite. Made of steel, wood and leather, bombastic mass and a very unconventional hilt-form. A Wuerttembergian cavalry saber M1817.

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    I hope, you can read my English.
    I must use partially a translater .

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    My vote is for the British 1796 hc. No finesse there.
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