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    Help identifying a Dagger!

    Hi chaps, i'm new here, not very clued up on daggers/swords etc and i'm looking for some advice on my grandad's Dagger he bought back from a market in the middle east during WW2.

    He was in Egypt and India and can't remember where he got it

    It has an Arabic style to it, I think - some Arab lettering on the cover (sheath?) and top of the knife above the blade before the handle.

    Any help identifying it and telling me what it is would be great!

    Pics below!








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    I think it is an Indian chilanum. Nice one too.

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    wow, brilliant!

    Thanks for that, just done a wee Google image search and it seems you are quite right, the style is certainly Indian and not Arabic as I thought.

    Any ideas on how old it could be? Found some as old as 1700!

    Adam

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    Looks like pretty modern manufacture to me--I haven't seen decoration that rough/a hilt and blade so simple on a chilanum before. Could be wrong, but it looks like a tourist piece to me.
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    Maybe.......or it could be over cleaned........

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    The decoration and proportions just seem...off to me. Again, I could be wrong, but if it was picked up at a WW2 market that would corraborate with the tourist item thing.
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    Hello,

    Not quite a chilanum but a jamdhar katari from Northern India. The type is old but this one is either too well cleaned or it is a newer take on it. Could you post better pics of the lettering on the scabbard? I don't think the old ones had any writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emanuel Nicolescu View Post
    Hello,

    Not quite a chilanum but a jamdhar katari from Northern India. The type is old but this one is either too well cleaned or it is a newer take on it. Could you post better pics of the lettering on the scabbard? I don't think the old ones had any writing.

    Emanuel
    Thanks for the replies chaps

    I looked up the above mentioned knife and it came up with a twin blade scissor type dagger? Not a single blade like the one I posted?

    It was cleaned an awful lot from what I remember, maybe too much as you say. I am taking it to an auctioneers next week so should have a better idea of age etc... hopefully!

    I will get some more pictures done.

    Adam

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    Hi Adam,

    Are you referring to this: http://oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=243 A scissors kattar or "jamadhar sehlikaneh " also from India.

    The "jam(a)dhar katari" is this: http://oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=112

    There is wide confusion about the names.

    They're very fun to study and collect

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    I repeat that I think the fittings look a little modern and rough. In the linked example above you can see how much more crisp the workmanship is. I've seen work that rough in tourist/export pieces all the time, but never on a piece intended for domestic consumption. It's not the world's most common form, though, so I could be way off the mark. It'll be neat to hear what the appraiser has to say!
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    Emanuel, I stand corrected. Thank you.

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