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    Jambiya or Khanjar

    Hi,

    I won these three daggers in an estate auction from interstate so I'm still waiting for them to arrive. Therefor, I only have the not so great picture from the listing (see below). I just bought them because they seemed interesting and I could get them at what I thought was a decent price. I have zero previous experience with this sort of stuff.

    They were listed as Yemeni Khanjar. From my brief research (and I very well may be wrong) I've concluded based on what I've read that they are either Yemeni Jambiya OR Omani Khanjar...but leaning towards Jambiyu. Someone set me straight?

    One has the belt (whether it's original or not I don't know), but the other two are just the scabbard and the dagger itself. One smaller size. Is there any significance RE the size? Is a smaller one likely to be for a child or something like that?

    They don't seem in amazing overall shape to be honest, but I did pick them up very cheap so I thought it was worth a shot. Two have quite bad rust on the blade. One seems stabilized as the rust has turned black, but does cover most of the blade. And the other one has quite a lot of active orange rust. So...

    Just wondering what would be the best course of action to take with these daggers. Restorstion or just stop the rust and leave as is? I understand it's probably a "wait and see when you get them in person" situation for the most part, but some advice regarding the active rust would be much appreciated.

    Also, while Im here, can anyone offer any insight into the possible age? And/or if they're authentic or just tourist souvenirs?

    I will of course return once I receive them in person and post some detailed pictures so my questions can be more accurately answered, but it would be great if you can at least give me some advice RE the rust so I can be ready to take action once they arrive.*

    And fyi, I also posted/intend on posting the same thread on a couple of other forums too so I can get as much info as possible and tap into the widest range of knowledge.

    Thanks


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    Hi Matthew,

    These are Yemeni.
    Nice to have the belt with one. The little silver adornments are a nice bonus.
    As for cleaning? If they were mine:
    Oil the blades, leave it to soak in and gently remove the loose rust with some fine 00 wire wool.

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    Thanks for the reply.

    Sorry if this is a silly question...but what kind of oil are we talking about here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew P View Post
    Thanks for the reply.

    Sorry if this is a silly question...but what kind of oil are we talking about here?
    Restricted to the steel surfaces, I use 3-in-1. Keep the blades lightly oiled and repeat every now and then until the rusted areas are black and stable.
    Avoid the oil migrating onto the fabrics etc.
    Check the blades first to make sure they aren't hollow. Some of these are purely decorative and the blades are made from two sheets of thin steel like from a biscuit tin, pressed to have a central rib and soldered or spot welded together. You can usually tell straight away by squeezing the central section while looking at the edge.

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    Better Pictures:

    Anything more specific you can tell me about them. The good, the bad.

    Jambiya with belt album
    http://imgur.com/a/6Un7R

    Second Large Jambiya album
    http://imgur.com/a/oI2LR

    Small Jambiya
    http://imgur.com/a/NCHvr
    Last edited by Matthew P; 03-19-2015 at 11:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew P View Post
    Better Pictures:

    Anything more specific you can tell me about them. The good, the bad.

    Jambiya with belt album
    http://imgur.com/a/6Un7R

    Second Large Jambiya album
    http://imgur.com/a/oI2LR

    Small Jambiya
    http://imgur.com/a/NCHvr

    Just my opinions.


    Relatively modern, last 20-30 years for the small one, blade looks to be hollow sheets, metal decoration on scabbard better than many.
    Other two possibly a little older, with the belted one seeming to show some wear. The belt looks like it is older, perhaps back to the 1950s-60s. The accessories are nice on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene Wilkinson View Post
    Just my opinions.


    Relatively modern, last 20-30 years for the small one, blade looks to be hollow sheets, metal decoration on scabbard better than many.
    Other two possibly a little older, with the belted one seeming to show some wear. The belt looks like it is older, perhaps back to the 1950s-60s. The accessories are nice on it.
    Thanks for the reply.

    The small one, upon closer inspection, is almost certainly two sheets welded together. The other two seem legit...different sound when tapped with a finger (although I guess that could be due to size difference).

    So you think the belt it the oldest thing there? So the belt, jambiya and scabbard didn't originally go together, but were pieced together at a later date?

    The large one without the belt seems to be made of some kind of horn. Was/is that common? To me, knowing nothing, the horn and carving indicated maybe a tourist piece as the carving is very basic and not great quality. Is it possible to determine the animal of origin?

    Thanks again.

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