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    Exclamation !!!An extremely important petition to sign!!! Change of German Cultural Heritage Law

    This cannot be posted often enough : Change of German Cultural Heritage Law


    Please help for the right to privately collect :


    "The stipulations of the amendment of the law on the Protection of Cultural Heritage threaten the collecting of cultural objects by private individuals. This law will effect everybody specialized in traditional collecting fields, such as books, stamps, furniture, ceramics, coins, classic cars and paintings. Retroactively, this new law will impose due diligence guidelines that are impossible to follow even for the most meticulous collector. When it comes to a dispute, the law will require, by reversing the burden of proof, the owner of a “cultural good” with a value of at least 2,500 euros to provide proof as to the item’s provenance for the previous 20 years; this affects “archaeological cultural goods” with a value as low as 100 euros.
    This is an unrealistic demand which misrepresents most of the objects that are currently traded on the domestic and the international art market in full accordance with the law as being illegal, and will result in a considerable decline in value of the objects in question.“ - open petition: For preserving the right to privately collect

    We therefore demand a law on the Protection of Cultural Heritage that observes the following principles:

    • No retroactive effect of the law
    • No reversal of the burden of proof
    • A clear definition of the term “national cultural heritage” and a limit to claims by the state to “national cultural heritage” only
    • Free movement, unimpaired by bureaucratic obstacles, of cultural goods which are not classified as “natural cultural heritage”, EU-wide, according to the free movement of goods
    • An appropriate participation by the parties representing collectors and dealers in the law-making process

    For centuries collectors have protected cultural heritage. Private collecting adds to national efforts and promotes the tradition’s preservation in all its variety, in a way museums alone could never accomplish. Collecting is an immaterial cultural heritage that is currently threatened by the latest drafts of the new German law on the Protection of Cultural Heritage.

    In the name of all signers.
    Please sign the petition below:

    https://www.openpetition.de/petition...vaten-sammelns

    http://www.welt.de/kultur/kunst-und-...s-sie-tun.html

    https://translate.google.de/translat...-text=&act=url

    https://translate.google.de/translat...nika-gruetters

    "Grütters ruined the art trade
    The planned cultural property protection law is nationalistic
    and hostile market.
    It does not fit Monika Grütters. You should know:
    Art needs freedom instead of rules !" Die Zeit

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    Is there some kind of anti collecting law been passed in Germany? Are you to prove where your antique sword, coin or old hockey card has been last 20 years? Is there proof paperwork, taxes, etc just to sell?
    This is vary bad news.

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    Something like that, at the beginning they even were demanding to a get access to your collection etc...

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    On second thoughts, this can be a problem just now, but it is not such a bad idea. It will limit fakes, and stolen items market trade, so it will do with stealing itself (OK, paperwork probably will be broadly falsified).

    Even when I keep recepts and so on, for many items, they just lead to an ebay vendor who can still exist or not. Most of my collectible items have been in my possesion for 10-20 years now, but this will be something to consider from now on.

    If it is becoming German law, someday it could be EU law... At the end the thing I like less is the State knowing what do I have.
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    Hallo, Arne.

    Ich habe die Petition schon untergeschrieben. Viel Glück!

    All of these right-restriction laws affecting private collecting should be fought with all our efforts. It happens everywhere: the State arrogates itself the right to 'protect' cultural heritage by plundering antiques from the hands of collectors, while putting few interest and funds in really protecting what is already in its hands. Museums tend to be huge warehouses to store indefinitely the items which are not in display, that is, the vast majority of them. Does that help to the dissemination and encouraging of culture-loving attitudes among the public? I honestly doubt it.

    Again, good luck for your petition!

    JJ
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    NO, NON

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    This appears to be a clear attack on private property. If you take this legislation to its ultimate logical conclusion, you may only own what some pointy-headed bureaucrat gives you permission to own.
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    Who is behind this proposed change in the law? My experience in the UK is that most politicians are incapable of independent thought, so who are the vested interests requesting the change? If it is museums and galleries then pressure needs to be brought to bear on them, boycotts, withdrawal of items on loan etc. I do fear that a change to German law will result in a change to EU law but I'm not sure about the ethics of me campaigning about changes to domestic German legislation, much as I would like to.
    The journey not the destination

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    Very interesting article:
    http://www.muenzenwoche.de/de/News/4?&id=3566
    F. Schlusswort
    Den wahren Gesetzeszweck hat Frau Grütters ehrlich geäußert: „in Deutschland den Ankauf des Staates für Antiken und Münzen sowie sonstige Kunstwerke durch Marktbeschränkungen so billig als möglich zu machen.“ Ist dies: „Freiheit statt Sozialismus“?

    Closing Remarks
    The true purpose of the law Grütters expressed honestly : " To make the purchase of the state for antiquities and coins and other works of art by market restrictions as cheaply as possible in Germany" is this: " Freedom instead of socialism " ?

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    Can some explain in simple terms what the issue is, maybe I'm alone, but to me it's not clear.

    All I see is some 'requirement' to prove the authenticity of an antique? Or to be able to disclose some detail of the item for the last 20 years of its life?!? But to who? For what reason? How does this somehow stop individuals buying 'collectibles'?

    I'd love to help, and sign this petition, but if I need a doctorate in law just to understand the issue you might be waiting some time.........

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    Yes, I agree that some briefing from our German colleagues, in plain English, about the main items of the proposed law would help. But, as for me and from the details provided so far, I have no problem to adhere to the expressed points of the petition:

    "
    • No retroactive effect of the law
    • No reversal of the burden of proof
    • A clear definition of the term “national cultural heritage” and a limit to claims by the state to “national cultural heritage” only
    • Free movement, unimpaired by bureaucratic obstacles, of cultural goods which are not classified as “natural cultural heritage”, EU-wide, according to the free movement of goods
    • An appropriate participation by the parties representing collectors and dealers in the law-making process
    "

    It is simply a matter of limiting the immense power the States already have over our private lives. We in Europe tend to renounce to an ever bigger part of our freedom, to get...what? In many cases we do not really know, and once your freedom is lost, is lost.

    (sorry about the final rant, but, well..)
    SI, SI
    NO, NON

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