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    What can someone tell me about this really old looking helmet?

    I found this really old looking helmet from a dealer at a flea market and he knows nothing about it. he guesses it's 300 years old but is not certain, he is asking 500. I am interested in it but I don't want to accidentally buy a theatrical piece or a fake and I am also worried about the fact that I see screws on the visor. I am hopeing that some one can help me out with identifying this helmet.
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    Looks like something made for the SCA in the 1970s.
    Author: Bronze Age Military Equipment, Pen and Sword Books.
    http://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/Bronz...ipment/p/3272/

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    Thank you for telling me this, I won't buy it. I was wondering if you could tell me what gave it away as a 70s reenactment prop helmet. So that in the future I will know what to look for in antique armor.

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    The shape of the helmet, the missing crown, the visor, the screws in the visor, the strange scale curtain.
    Author: Bronze Age Military Equipment, Pen and Sword Books.
    http://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/Bronz...ipment/p/3272/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher S. View Post
    So that in the future I will know what to look for in antique armor.
    First, the visor is obviously modern. Second, the general appearance is that of a modern-made helmet. Third, it looks nothing like helmets that were in use 300 years ago. (That last one doesn't mean that it can't be antique, but it does mean that the seller hasn't identified it correctly.)

    If you are considering spending $500 on an antique helmet, it's time for research. At a minimum, look at lots and lots of photos of genuine helmets. Learn about different styles of helmets and when and where they were in use. After that, you should have no trouble spotting modern helmets like this one.

    Good replicas/fakes might still be troublesome (modern replicas, Victorian replicas, 19th century Indian tourist replicas, etc.). They can be hard to spot in photos - then you need to look at the details of the construction. If you want to ask about that kind of helmet online, good photos are essential. As well as photos of the whole this, also take photos showing edges of plates, thickness of plates, rivets, seams, etc. High resolution, in-focus.
    "In addition to being efficient, all pole arms were quite nice to look at." - Cherney Berg, A hideous history of weapons, Collier 1963.

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    I don't think it is a fake or bad replica. I think it is a sporting helmet made for SCA bouts before all of their current regulations.
    Author: Bronze Age Military Equipment, Pen and Sword Books.
    http://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/Bronz...ipment/p/3272/

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    Yes, I agree. (Maybe for SCA rapier, rather than heavy.)

    Fakes/replicas, even bad ones, look more like "real" helmets.
    "In addition to being efficient, all pole arms were quite nice to look at." - Cherney Berg, A hideous history of weapons, Collier 1963.

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    It looks like a "Mad Max" prop...seriously!!!

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