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    ER Wilkinson 97 (I have doubts about authenticity)

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    As you see the 97 officers sword has Tank Regiment markings. This is the newest sword in my collection and I feel the quality is not correct for a Wilkinson sword ? Have I purchased a copy ?

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    Not that it's definitive proof Nigel, but is there a serial number higher than 70168 (i.e. 1952>) and what specifically do you have doubts about? A close up of the hilt may help for others to determine. Oddly enough it's quite unusual to see a 'modern' sword up for comment, hope it's pukka!

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    Hi Ben
    Thanks for the quick reply. I know the pics are not great. The blade had no serial number. Had it been marked with Solingen maker then I would have felt better. But Wilkinson worries me ! I can imagine its a sword from 60s or 70s and googling has not helped much.

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    Mmm, I'm thinking no number not normal! Sadly. Let's see what others say...

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    The sword looks correct. Wilkinsons closed its doors in 2006. Wilkinsons cost saving measures removed the proof disc.

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    Thank you Will.
    I received the sword in a swap deal and did suspect it may be a late economy saving by Wilkinson. Its good to know that this weapon was ordered by an officer.

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    Certainly in the 60/70's Wilkinson were using serial numbers, doesn't the lack of one raise some doubts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Bevan View Post
    Certainly in the 60/70's Wilkinson were using serial numbers, doesn't the lack of one raise some doubts?
    Not at all, the quality is there in the sword itself. Some swords were sold to retailers and not directly to officers.

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    Will, Surely Wilkinson swords of this pattern were stamped with a serial number at the point of manufacture, before and regardless of whom they were sold to, this sword has no retailers marks and purports to be a genuine 'Wilkinson' from Nigel's photos. Are you suggesting serial numbers were only stamped post production when sold to an individual? If so, I was not aware of this.

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    Not at all suggesting that. There are other modern Wilkinsons without numbers. I'm not sure if it was due to another cost saving measure or it was not considered one of their "best" swords.

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    There is something strange going on here. No number and no proof slug. And a W surrounded by a sunburst that is normally associated with Birmingham makers? Hmmmm

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    Thanks everyone for all the useful comments. Am showing a few better quality pictures to see if that helps.

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    The photos don't enlarge when you click on them so I can't really see any good details.
    Some corps order swords with their regiment on them for sale in their kit shops, this could be one of these?

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    Found a listing for a Wilkinson without serial number but photos pulled

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/British-ERII...p2047675.l2557

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    Just to muddy the waters further, found a very similar sword, with the 'W Starburst', presumably a genuine Wilkinson given the presentation inscription, however, this one does have a serial number (121380). It's inscribed from Manchester University OTC to a newly commissioned officer in the Royal Corps of Signals, dated July 1990. Nigel, any stamps on the scabbard? Sometimes they're marked on the back of the strap. Yet again I can't resize the photos small enough for the forum to accept! Can PM where I found them if anyone's interested.

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    Thanks to everyone for helping, here are some closer shots of the markings and I hope can give me more info.

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    Hi Nigel, I’ve been trawling through as many examples of late 20th c Wilkinson’s as I can find, be they Army Navy or RAF, I expect you’ve done the same. Some have your’ W Starburst’ others, the two intertwined triangles, none with the old brass proof slug. All the swords I noted (apart from one claimed to have been ‘refurbished’) had a serial number stamped on the spine. The etching on your latest pics looks spot on, but I think the jury is still out. My only new suggestion would be to contact Pooley Sword, the ultimate successors to the old Wilkinson Company, who may be able to give you a definitive answer.

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