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    Sword from Clemen & Jung - Solingen.

    Hello guys this is my first post here. Hope I do it right.

    I got this Sword from my Grandparents and Id like to know more about it.
    It has some Numbers on it hope you can read it on the pictures.

    How Old is it?
    What kind of Sword is it?
    Maybe you can Help me and Identify it and tell if I have a treasure here or if its 1 from 20 million others

    Thank you very much
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    Nobody knows something?

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    I don't recognise it but would guess, perhaps theatrical, or a 19th C. copy of an earlier sword, these products were quite popular in Germany, generally referred to as 'Historismus'.
    Mel.

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    This might help with the maker.
    http://www.swordforum.com/forums/sho...rs-marks-dates
    http://www.germandaggers.com/Gallery/Makers.php
    Clemens and Jung were in business a long time I think your z with shield in association with written Clemens and Jung put your sword in first half 20th century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Fairbanks View Post
    This might help with the maker.
    http://www.swordforum.com/forums/sho...rs-marks-dates
    http://www.germandaggers.com/Gallery/Makers.php
    Clemens and Jung were in business a long time I think your z with shield in association with written Clemens and Jung put your sword in first half 20th century.
    Hello,

    just a short notice regarding the firm "Clemen & Jung":
    The firm was founded in 1860 by August Jung and Hermann Clemen in Solingen, Bockerstr. 1539. Clemen left the firm somewhere around 1874 and Jung carried on alone until his death in 1887. After his death Carl Reinshagen led the firm until 1893 when his son in law Emil Berger took over. Between 1892 and 1801 the firm was situated in Klosterwall 16, afterwards in the Florastrasse 54.
    They produced blades until the 1944 when a severe bombing raid destroyed the machinery and manufacturing equipment. After WWII the firm specialised in handcuffs and is producing and well known today. Their trademark being "Clejuso" standing for "Clemen Jung Solingen".
    During it's existance various kinds of markings were used. The crowned shield with the Z (which is in fact an ancient device for hunting wolfes, a so called "Wolfsangel") was used also in the 19th century and was registerd by Clemen and Jung on 15.3.1876 (according to J. Walter) another one gives 1898 as the year of registration (Carter). According to the material I have seen it was already used in 1896 by Clemen and Jung, so that Walter may be right.

    Hope this helps.
    All the best

    William
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    Thank you very much for your Help.
    Now I know approximately how old it is.

    Can somebody tell me what kind of sword it is?
    It is not sharpened so I guess it is was not made for actual fighting but for ceremonial or theatrical use?

    Thank you again
    Matthias

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    As Mel said Matthias most of these I have seen were for theater or wall decorations to mimic 16th and 17th century swords. Some were used in fraternities or organizations but most of those had markings or etching to that organization. These are unusual in that unlike modern replicas and fraternal swords they are made just like a sword would be with high grade steel blades. Some were I think used for advertisment and gifts. I think with yours it is possible it was used as a militia sword. Odd your numbers do not match on sword and scabbard. D772 on sword and D763 on scabbard. It must be one sold for a militia sword with rack numbers for sword and scabbard, certainly not a wall hanger. I guess perhaps a theatrical company would mark items as well but I do not know. It is a nice piece and 100 years or more. There are others that would know far more than me. Regards Eric
    The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." --- Tench Coxe

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