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    Royal artillery conundrum

    Hi all,

    I'm puzzled and looking for help.

    I have a Wilkinson marked blade with a hexagonal proof slug.

    It has a blank entry in the Wilkinson ledger.

    The 1845 blade is inscribed for Royal Artillery.

    The blade has a 1897 infantry officers hilt, suggesting a repurposed blade rehilted for later use.

    First, on a general note why do artillery swords use the motto "Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense" rather than "Ubique Quo Fas Et Gloria Ducunt"? Does this denote a specific time period?

    Secondly this is numbered 54,000's for 1918 and so shouldn't be an 1845 blade at all.

    Finally it is stamped on the true edge at the ricasso. Possibly W.O. but its unclear. Is this stamp common? The only other blade I own stamped there has the regimental number.

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    Edited with clearer image. What I thought was an O ends with clean cut-off on the left so perhaps it's a J rather than a badly stamped O.

    I think to the right is just corrosion although I could be wrong.


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    Hi James, the 1845 pattern blade has not stopped being used for artillery officers' swords (or naval officers) - it's still regulation today

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    Thanks Matt,

    Just reviewed Robson again and I was confused by a comment about a change of grip size "along with all other infantry officers' swords". I thought it was taking about the blade.

    Any opinions on the initials W. J.? have you ever seen officer's initials stamped there?

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    I'm afraid I haven't seen initials there, but I'd assume that they relate to something other than an individual.

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