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    Help with Naval Cutlass I.D.

    Hey guys and gals .
    I picked up two Naval cutlasses from an old storage unit auction and was wondering if I could get some opinions as to the makers or what I might have here .The age wear and patina are even throughout both pieces and they are identical so im posting pictures of just one of them
    the only markings are on the tangs of the blades and the inside of the pommel caps on the tangs its stamped Xiii V and pommel see pictures
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    Anybody ??

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    Ill take a stab at it Movie prop. Studio prop departments in the early 20th century often put in a lot of work on swords for films. Even at a time when you could buy surplus period swords for a couple of bucks. They almost always have a lot of edge nicks from use. Does this one? Almost looks like an Ames or french guard? Just a guess. Interesting... Thanks for posting
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    There are nicks here and there on them both nothing extreme though . They are extremely well built and aged inside and out evenly. . The tang marks have me seriously scratching my head
    Thanks for the reply
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    I believe those are assembly marks. Used on early hand made weapons. why these swords .. No idea.

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    The tang looks like it's stamped 'XIIII' (14?)
    As if the maker marked it to link it with the brass parts which are also marked 14.

    We'd usually think of the roman numeral for 14 being XIV, but clocks can often have '4' represented as 'IIII'.


    Does the other one have corresponding marks?

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    yes it does

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    I apologies Gene
    the second one has an XVIIII stamped on the tang and a 16 on the inside of the pommel cap ?
    I wonder what era and what these were built for exactly . It is soooo hard to find info on Naval cutlasses online
    Also the base of both of these cutlasses have a thin layer of red rust covering where any other stamps or marks generally would be
    Im quite tempted to clean them up a tad
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    Thats interesting '19' and 16. I wonder if it's had parts swapped?

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    looking at the pommel cap again its stamped 19 with a V
    both pommel caps have a number then a V ?

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    I have to admit I have no good idea what this is. It looks like an aged repro M1861 Navy cutlass, but if it were made to deceive, they would have done a better job. I would expect a nice fuller, for example, and I would expect the tang to be preened rather than screwed. I like Paul's suggestion of a prop, but really have no evidence to support such a theory. Hope someone has a good answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.Evans View Post
    looking at the pommel cap again its stamped 19 with a V
    both pommel caps have a number then a V ?
    Well that's interesting. What is the 'nut' like, that holds the hilt on?

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    Very sturdy and Brass ill take a picture asap
    also when I took these apart you could tell they had not been apart in decades .. The patina in the straight screw driver slot had not been disturbed I.E. you couldn't see any sighns of it being worked in the Brass .. ( the slot was patinaed over evenly ) Also the pommel cap and screw are of impecable Hardy cast . Heavy and stout however the rest of the weapon is balanced and light . The guard and hardware are heavy .. I will say that I have seen cutlasses in this pattern without Fullers
    also the hardwood handles have the blade and hardware numbers stamped in them as well... Very Courious indeed ...

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    I will add this piece of discription ..The blade geometry is very much like a briquette sword . Hardy but not modern repro hardy if that makes sense ??

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