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Thread: Caveat Emptor--a Beginner's Guide to buying swords on eBay--WITH EXAMPLES!

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    I found this "spot the fakes guide" on another sword board.

    I dont know if it has been posted here before.

    Learn how to spot fake swords on eBay

    Dennis.
    Last edited by Dennis Jensen; 01-15-2006 at 03:43 AM.

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    I am new to the western sword/ fighting scene and like everyone who listens to mass media, ebay is all over the place. I have looked at the wide selection of swords offered. It seems that alot of the dealers are very general when it comes to details ( eg. full tang etc. ) and I am thnkful for all of the info before I make a mistake!!

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    None of the links in the original thread are valid anymore.
    Kinda puts a damper on the educational value of the post.
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    There are newer links on the first page, a few posts up from the bottom, that are still valid. The link two posts up has several examples examples specific to forgeries of antique Nihonto.

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    Originally posted by JakeVanDam
    [B]Here are few fresher suspicious auctions:

    "Claymore"
    The term "battle ready" should set off alarms- few reputable seller use this term. It's especiall suspicious when it's used to describe a 440 stainless steel blade. Also notice that the funiture has a chintzy look to it. Although most of his feedback is positive, the begatives have an alarmly high number of accusations of false descriptions. Remeber when reading reviews that most people can't tell a sword from an SLO, so most people will be satisfied with this.
    I find it hilarious to see that he calls a 50" sword with a rat-tail tang "battle ready".

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    Thank you all for the responses to my question. The tips have been very helpful!!

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    Would that I'd joined this site sooner...alas, I've been guilty of buying a so-called 'authentic' and 'battle-ready' sword. A kai gunto it was called and the low starting bid should've been that good indicator that something's afoot. $0.99 for a sword? I was only too happy to place my bid - my first purchase on ebay by the way, and happened to scroll down and see the OUTRAGEOUS shipping cost. I was so hot for this thing though that I just had to go through with it. I still have it- as a lesson learned. Aesthetically its not too hard on the eye; I was able to take it apart and inspect the tang (traditional single peg) and it's got 'something' on it. I don't read any language other than English so I'll say its vaguely Asian and leave it at that. The furniture looks cheap, no, IS cheap - the butt cap on the end of the tsuka and the end cap on the saya appear to have been glued on initially. It looks old, and the blade has some very interesting patterns to it- the mune is quite wide and overall the sword is much heavier than I expected. I suspect its stainless steel or some other mild steel, and the balance stinks.

    No more swords from ebay-unless all I want is potential junk; I prefer to get my swords from actual retailers like AoV. I joined this forum just recently and already a lot of my pre-conceived notions have been blown out of the water. Thank you, SFI and its members.
    "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes" - It is foolish to fear that which you cannot avoid.

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    You can get good swords from eBay, you just have to be careful since it's pretty saturated withwallhangers and forgeries. There are usually a few real modern blades on there, and very rarely a real antique. It's a diamonds in a dung heap sort of deal.

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    Thumbs up Research, research, research

    I'm inclined to agree because I've seen a few pieces pass through that I figured were too good to be true- some were but maybe others were not.

    Patience was never a virtue I could claim as my own but I do try.
    "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes" - It is foolish to fear that which you cannot avoid.

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    Re: Research, research, research

    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Julius D.
    [B]I'm inclined to agree because I've seen a few pieces pass through that I figured were too good to be true- some were but maybe others were not.

    I agree...I've seen several that were tempting to say the least, but ultimately you have to ask yourself if it's worhth taking the chance and then being down a couple hundred dollars (or perhaps less) that could have been applied to a quality blade from a reliable source,

    However, I have pruchased a couple of practical swords (Paul Chen / Hanwei) that were fine and quite a bit less than other sources.

    By the way - Nice quote from "King Arthur", Julius ...one of my favorites.
    "Remember, no matter where you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Banzai

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    So the Hanwei/Chen blades were good to go? By the time I got around to seeing them it seemed eBay was saturated with Chen blades and I got to wondering...ah, doesn't matter. Lessons learned. Thanks, David- it's one of my favorites. It always bothered me that Excalibur was considered the definitive 'work' on Arthur for a time. At least this one was more believable, even if it was all Hollywood.
    Last edited by Julius D.; 03-19-2006 at 02:17 PM.
    "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes" - It is foolish to fear that which you cannot avoid.

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    What about this ebay one http://cgi.ebay.com/COLLECTION-OF-43...QQcmdZViewItem

    Thats a lot of swords for $1,336.

    This one is a bad stainless steel Kill bill set. http://cgi.ebay.com/4PC-KILL-BILL-HA...QQcmdZViewItem
    It is not woth $125

    This one though looks like a real sword and looks very old. http://cgi.ebay.com/Japanese-Samurai...QQcmdZViewItem

    This one looks suspicious Location Razersharp Katana, United States?!?
    http://cgi.ebay.com/Razor-Sharp-Kata...QQcmdZViewItem
    Plus its too cheap for a Mashahiro. Come on 1 cent? $25 Shipping?

    This one I dont know. I posted the seller but got no replies here
    http://cgi.ebay.com/Handmade-Full-Ta...QQcmdZViewItem

    My question is on about ebay. I have never ordered from them before. Is it considered safe?

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    Originally posted by Charlie Whitney
    What about this ebay one http://cgi.ebay.com/COLLECTION-OF-43...QQcmdZViewItem

    Thats a lot of swords for $1,336.

    This one is a bad stainless steel Kill bill set. http://cgi.ebay.com/4PC-KILL-BILL-HA...QQcmdZViewItem
    It is not woth $125

    This one though looks like a real sword and looks very old. http://cgi.ebay.com/Japanese-Samurai...QQcmdZViewItem

    This one looks suspicious Location Razersharp Katana, United States?!?
    http://cgi.ebay.com/Razor-Sharp-Kata...QQcmdZViewItem
    Plus its too cheap for a Mashahiro. Come on 1 cent? $25 Shipping?

    This one I dont know. I posted the seller but got no replies here
    http://cgi.ebay.com/Handmade-Full-Ta...QQcmdZViewItem

    My question is on about ebay. I have never ordered from them before. Is it considered safe?
    The funny thing is the sword you said was suspicious is the best thing there.

    The first "collection" is a bunch of frauds, IMO the tanto is too.

    Read this guide I wrote if you are thinking about eBay

    http://reviews.ebay.com/Buying-cheap...00000000848136

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    Originally posted by M.K. Ridgeway
    The funny thing is the sword you said was suspicious is the best thing there.

    The first "collection" is a bunch of frauds, IMO the tanto is too.

    Read this guide I wrote if you are thinking about eBay

    http://reviews.ebay.com/Buying-cheap...00000000848136
    Wow. Thanks a lot, I guess I was wrong and thanks a lot for the link!

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    Originally posted by Ty N.
    I agree with 99% of the statements in the original part of this thread. However, as someone who buys and sells swords on Ebay, I do feel that it is a good marketplace for price-conscious shoppers. Stick to the precautions noted previously, but also realize that there are plenty of responsible sword traders, and they tend to outnumber the scoundrels.
    this is very true, i buy occasionaly on e-bay and sell a lot there, i trade generally in antiques but i sell a lot of my swords there, all antique military,

    look for buyers who do not hide their feedback, have positive good feedback (if they have negs read what is said)

    ask for more pictures, study up on what you are buying, try to speak to the seller on the phone( i do this a lot with things i buy and sell. if they avoid contact beware)

    i always offer a 100% genuine gaurentee and a full refund if unsatisfactory and you return or contact me with in 7 days( buyer to pay return postage)
    bottom line know what you are buying !!!!!!!

    study then study some more !!!!

    let the buyer beware, always paypal or recorded delivery of a cheque or cash but try to use paypal as you have some recourse that way to some protection

    if it looks to good to be true then it probably is !!

    good luck and happy hunting
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    swords on ebay

    After checking out almost every sword dealer on ebay, I discovered this dealer. Their prices are reasonable (imo), and there is at least one other member of this board who has purchased from them. This person was so impressed that a review was left on this ebay sellers store. there are even a short video clip. I have also made a purchase and this is it. I purchased this katana for less than $200 canadian.

    http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...e=STRK:MEWN:IT

    I purchased the blue one. I will definitely be purchasing from this seller again.

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    Hi Richard. I have checked it out and it really looks decent. Being a first time buyer, is it really difficult to make up my mind which sword to purchase. Has anyone on this forum heard of the seller
    "Heart_of_swords" on ebay. His stuff looks really impressive, and communication is really superb.

    Is there anyone on this forum who owns one of his swords?

    Check it out...

    http://cgi.ebay.com/REAL-JAPANESE-CO...QQcmdZViewItem

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    Originally posted by BH van Graan
    Hi Richard. I have checked it out and it really looks decent. Being a first time buyer, is it really difficult to make up my mind which sword to purchase. Has anyone on this forum heard of the seller
    "Heart_of_swords" on ebay. His stuff looks really impressive, and communication is really superb.

    Is there anyone on this forum who owns one of his swords?

    Check it out...

    http://cgi.ebay.com/REAL-JAPANESE-CO...QQcmdZViewItem

    Please do not be offended, buy if you think those look impressive you need to study a lot here.

    Those are a travesty, and worth about $50 bucks... well not really. Read this.http://forums.swordforum.com/showthr...t=Heart+swords

    I see you are in South Africa. For the price of those wallhangers at heart of swords South African James Raw will build you a really nice custom sword

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    I'm no katana aficionado by any means, but the handle wraps look very mediocre- especially if this is a folded steel blade. Question: what is cold forging and does anyone know how it's done?
    "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes" - It is foolish to fear that which you cannot avoid.

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    A nonsensensical marketing term as it is used by that seller... To go along with " Japanese Grey Iron".

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    Please do not be offended, buy if you think those look impressive you need to study a lot here.
    Thank you so much! You saved me a fortune and a lot of embarresment! I am new to sword collecting, therefore I need all the advice I can get.

    Just how good are James's swords?
    Thanks again!

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    Originally posted by BH van Graan
    Thank you so much! You saved me a fortune and a lot of embarresment! I am new to sword collecting, therefore I need all the advice I can get.

    Just how good are James's swords?
    Thanks again!
    James makes really nice user swords , which also display well.A new collector whose first sword was a custom Raw blade would be getting an incredible start.

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    Mr. Ridgeway, how about the seller on ebay paartist?

    (The link Mr. Scott posted)

    It's really not that expensive, but are they any good?

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    I can't really speak to that, as I don't own one... but there is an ongoing thread here where a forumite has ordered a custom katana from them and is chronicling the experience.It's worth subscribing to the thread. Also pm Paul Gunning... he has one of their swords and is always hapy to talk about it.

    Understand you are talking about the difference of production verses custom here dealing with paartist vs. James Raw... and the quality will plummet with the price. Nothing wrong with that... I own production myself... just be aware.

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    I must admit that the shipping cost for the paartist swords is steep. but for me, this was acceptable. This is my first non-SLO i have purchased, so I was basically "paying my money and taking my chances. Paartist did not disappoint for this low-end katana. When I have the time, I will dissasemble it and post pics.

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