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    migration era "ring hilt" pics

    Can anyone tell me where I can find good pics of some migration era "ring hilt" swords other than the Vendel sword? They seem to be very elusive....

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    There are several pictures (drawings, actually, by Ewart Oakeshott) of Migration-era ring hilts in the book The Sword in Anglo-Saxon England by H.E. Davidson...
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    Re: migration era "ring hilt" pics

    Originally posted by Tim Lison
    Can anyone tell me where I can find good pics of some migration era "ring hilt" swords other than the Vendel sword? They seem to be very elusive....
    Hi Tim...

    Here are the drawings from Davidson that David mentioned...

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    And one other...

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    The best source for pictures of ring hilt swords that I have found in Behmer's landmark work on swords of the migration period. However this work is very hard to find. Let me see if I can dig up some scans that I have... I'll try to post a few tonight...

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    For a modern interpretation there is “Bench Eater”


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    Early Ring Hilts from Behmer...

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    More Ring Hilts from Behmer...

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    Later Ring Hilts from Behmer...

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    Kirk,
    Those are some awesome pictures. Thanks for posting them. I don't suppose you would be willing to share some more? I'd love to see some more examples of Behmer's work as finding a copy of his book can be somewhat difficult (as you already noted).
    "This was the age of heroes, some legendary, some historical . . . the misty borderland of history where fact and legend mingle."

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    Thank you so much everyone! I will be sure to post pics of the ring hilt I have made for myself!

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    I wanted to add a special thanks to Kirk. The pictures are very helpful and will be put to good use!

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    You're very welcome Tim... glad I could be of service. I have been compiling a pictoral archive for about a year now... so it is nice to have a chance to use some of the pics.

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    Originally posted by Matt Corbin
    Kirk,
    Those are some awesome pictures. Thanks for posting them. I don't suppose you would be willing to share some more? I'd love to see some more examples of Behmer's work as finding a copy of his book can be somewhat difficult (as you already noted).
    Hi Matt...

    I have a few more of just ring hilt pommels from Behmer I will post on this thread... If I get a chance I'll try to start a new thread to post the some of the others.

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    Here is another ring hilt pommel from Behmer.

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    This is not from Behmer... but if you like ring hilts and garnets you got to see this one...

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    An intresting fact about #2 in Kirks fifth pic-post, from Vallstenarum, Gotland.

    This sword, forged around 500, originally had a massive gold ring. This was broken loose in antiquity, prehaps as payment, and replaced with a gilt bronze ring. The sword was not earthed until 700, seeing two centuries of "service".

    The ring placement on the sword from Snartemo (First in third post) on the lower side of the lower guard is practical when used with a leash. There is also a third position on the upper side of the lower guard as on a sword from Högom, Sweden. i.e. right where your thumbgrip would be.

    I´ll add one more... No 59 in Davidson, The Vendel I has actually been cut tested. The boat grave was found when digging for a new wall to extend the graveyard on the parish church. The diggers thought they had found a goldhoard and frantically brought picks and shovels to bear on the site... The sword was amazingly unearthed in one piece until a local smith struck it agaist a rock to "see if it was good steel"...
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    Great info...

    Here is a color picture of the Snartemo Sword.

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    Thanks for the color pic of the Snartemo sword Kirk! That is one of the ones I'm considering using as inspiration for the sword I'll have made. It's tempting to get such an oddball with it's ring on the bottom.

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    Hi Tim...

    It amazes me that Hollywierd likes to use fantasy Conan type swords for excalibur when they have such beautiful material from the late fifth early sixth century. Just for once why not have excalibur look like the Snartemo sword. It has a basic medieval look for those Malory purists. It is very decorative... It even has a ring to echo Arthur's round table.

    Would love to see your projected ringhilt on completion.

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    I will most definitely post pics of the "ring hilt" I'm having made. It won't be for another 6-7 months though..... In the mean time I have a regular migration era sword on it's way too! I'll post those as soon as it arrives, which should be pretty soon now!

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    Question re:

    Forgive my ignorance as this is new for me, What was the practical use of these ring hilts? Thank you.
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    Luck, Style; it was often used for the swearing of oaths so mystical power is probably in there too.

    Practical? None---but the ornamentation of the pommel and guard has not practical reason either.

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    Re: re:

    Originally posted by cmsahe
    Forgive my ignorance as this is new for me, What was the practical use of these ring hilts? Thank you.
    Hi Carlos...

    I tried to put the pictures from Behmer in a rough chronological order. You can see that the ring hilts begin with a clear ring and
    develop into a disc like object. I have read that some archeologists speculate the earliest rings may have been a loop
    to tie what is known vaguely from period literature as "peace bands". It is believed that these were cords attached to the
    scabbard that could be tied onto the hilt of the king. When this was done the kingdom was at peace. When the king untied these bands from the hilt of his sword it signaled that the kingdom was about to go to war.

    Another theory is that the ring on the hilt served a similar purpose to the giving of a ring during the ceremony of homage
    in the feudal system. The ring symbolized that the vassal was the "king's man". So the sword with the ring would be given to
    his warrior vassal with the same purpose.

    Another theory is that the ring hilt swords belonged to kings and it symbolized, in the unbroken nature of the ring, the oaths that would be taken upon it by the king or those in his presence.
    Archeologists have found drinking horns with similar rings attached. It is believed that these were also for oathtaking.


    "I'll drink to that."

    Just a few ideas.

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    Hello Kirk,

    Thanks a lot for your answer, I have developed a special liking for Viking swords lately and until when I read this thread I ignored about the Ring Hilt Swords, I found all this information fascinating. And I found these swords beautiful too.

    Regards,
    Carlos Santillan


    Originally posted by Kirk Spencer
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    aka:
    Carlos M. Santillan Hernandez

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    "Pués vos veis, la espada no necesita de vuestra sabiduría para
    atravesaros, es de buen metal".
    Jesús Santillán.

    Resiste

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