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    Pictures of handle wrapping

    When i wanted to learn how to do chinese handle wrapping i did alot of searching on the web and was unable to find any usefull info.
    Recently someone brought to my attention that it still wasn't easy to find, so i thought i'd post some pictures of how you do it.
    I didn't have any flat cord available unfortunately, and my camera is built into my mobile phone (says it all, doesn't it). So i've added some blue and red lines so that it is easy to see which cord goes where.

    Starting up, the inner loop needs to be made (doesn't *need* to be, but i find it much easier).
    I attach it with tape, and make sure it's tight. Then you just remove the tape along the way. You would think the entire wrap would get shorter, but it doesn't, at least not by more than 1-3 milimeters depending on the elasticity and thickness of the cord.
    Also, don't do this on polished wood like this, it should be slightly coarse.
    And finally, if you can find a couple of flat metal pieces you can press over the ends of the cord as clamps, they are much easier to get down under the loop.
    There probably are tools for this sort of job, but i have found it unnecessary to invest in, as it can be as tight as you want without.

    Now, on the front side (A):
    The loop runs from the "blue" side of the cord to the right, down to the pommel, back up to the left and crosses over to the right, ending in the red cord which continues on the back. So lets turn the sabre 180 degrees.
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    On the backside (B), the red cord makes a loop identical to the one on the frot side, once again crossing over itself.
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    Turn the sabre another 90 degrees and retrieve the blue side of the cord from side A and let it cross over the red.
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    Next, guide the blue cord under the nearest side of the loop and over the next. Then turn the sabre 180 degrees again (of course turn it so that the blue cord doesn't bend back, but simply continues onwards to the other side)
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    Back on side A, guide the blue cord under both of the loop cords. Don't tighten it just yet.
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    Pull up the cord in the middle of the inner loop, so that it forms a loop of its own. Then guide the red cord over the inner loop and through the new loop, in direction from the guard to the pommel as in this picture.
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    when you tighten it, it will look like this:
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    Next, you simply turn the sabre around again and do the exact same, except this time you guide the red cord under the inner loop and the blue one over.
    The order is always so that the cord that was on top of the inner loop on the previous side goes under the loop on the next.
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    Tightening

    When you tighten the construction, always do it on the backside like this. If you do it on the front side, you'll mess up the shape of the inner loop and will have to do alot of correction.
    Tighten the construction at least after every second repetition, and tighten it hard!

    Also correct the inner loop when it gets pulled out of shape. Use something pointy like a fork or similar.
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    THXS !!

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    Finishing

    When you get to the end of the loop, it should be difficult to get the cord through it to make a loop once again. I hope you've adjusted the inner loop satisfactory by now!

    The last wrap, before you finish off, should be loose enough to let you guide the ends of the cords underneath, so don't tighten this too much.

    Finish the wrapping by creating a loop with the first cord (blue in this picture) and guiding the second cord through as usual.
    But instead of continuing on the other side, let the red cord go underneath the last two-three strips of cord.

    As for the blue cord you can guide it under the last two-three cords on the same side as you did with the red. The point to do this is indicated with the blue arrow.
    Then, you simply tighten the contruction from the backside as usual, and as tight as humanly possible!! You will notice that the cords sustain eachothers strain more effectively, the more you tighten.
    The other option for the blue cord can be usefull if the inner loop on the other side of the handle is a bit looser. It will be shown in the next post.
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    The blue cord, Option #2

    As said in the previous post, this option is usefull if the inner loop one the other side of the handle is a bit more loose as it is in this example.
    You simply bring the cord through the last bit of the inner loop as seen in the picture, and then tuck it under the last two-three strips of cord where the blue arrow points. Then tighthen the wrapping as hard as possible and you're done.
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    In the end it will look something like this...
    Do i have to mention you have to cut of the ends of the cord before you're done btw, or is this painfully obvious?

    Enjoy.
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    Good one,

    Thanks mate! Now I'm off looking for the right cord to rewrap that sword of mine. If the result is not too embarassing, I'll post it at this forum.

    Peter

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    An excellent post, and most appreciated!

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    William Reinmans Handle Wrap thread?

    What on earth happened to William Reinmans Handle Wrap thread? Can't find it by searching "handle wrap" either on Chinese forum or on all open forums!

    Not saying Thöger didn't do a good job, it's fine, very good. And much good advice. But William may be called the Wrap Master!

    I remeber how he worked to figure it out and, get it to work. And that thread had a lot of information, not just how to.

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    I know, i did a search aswell before posting, but i didn't find anything. The links to images and videos were dead.

    Btw, the way i learned it was simply by looking at the wrapping and following the cord in the start and beginning of the wrap. Another suggestion would be to unravel one and simply taking notes of how it was made.
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    Originally posted by Thøger Kari
    As a side note, does anyone know where i can get around 100 meter flat cord (4 mm preferably) ? Getting 5 meters is easy, but i need 100 m.
    Here are the flat cord special for sword hilt. Are these what you need? If so, PM me.
    Last edited by Athena Chang; 11-26-2005 at 05:23 AM.

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    Originally posted by Athena Chang
    Here are the flat cord special for sword hilt. Are these what you need? If so, PM me.
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    the thread I was refering to

    Here is the thread I was refering to, if you havent seen it go there. Lots of info! And links to other threads.

    http://forums.swordforum.com/showthr...threadid=47591
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    It seems you forgot to add the thread..

    And Athena, that rope looks quite nice!

    -Peter

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    nice example

    This is a nice example of handle wrap from William, and a beautiful dao, that he restored.

    It also turned out during the work, that it got a fine blade with a san mei, not a qiang gang construction. The shape of the blade is of some interest to, with not a full niuweaidao flare, just a slight widening, it has sometimes been named phoenix wing dao. (picture in next post)

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    Here is the picture:
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    So, as some of you may know, i've found a great source for good value cotton cord for handle wrapping. I thought i'd post it here cause i know how hard it can be to find:
    http://www.yellow.co.nz/site/cordall/Cords.html
    It's the BCL type in the flat cord section.

    I've bought some of their 6 and 8 mm cord for the purpose of wrapping a couple of spears and it's great. So i asked them if they could try and make me a sample of 4 mm cord for swords and they agreed.

    It looks good and it's very sturdy. The reason it's not straight as an arrow in the picture is that it was sent in a letter, the 6 and 8 mm samples i was sent looked the same.

    The 4 mm cost 17.25$ per 100m (that's 328 feet) and it comes in a variety of colors. If you want, they'll probably also agree to make 3 or 5 mm cord for you. The only downside (for some people) is you have to order a minimum of 300 meter cord total, but that can be fixed with joint orders of course
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    On another background.
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