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    List of Manufacturers...

    I was sitting here today as usual staring at this lifeless box of images scouring the web for katana and the like and I thought to myself, " ***damn there is alot of manufacturers out there, wouldn't it be nice if there was a list of known manufacturers/forges/smiths etc. "

    I thought maybe we could all pull together a list. Forges, manufacturers, smiths, categorized into Production, Authentic/Nihon-to, Custom etc. Maybe even estimated price ranges and products offered, katana, broadswords, rapiers etc.

    So what do you all think? If this has already been done, please point me in the right direction, otherwise lets put one together!!

    Blackwell

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    on almost every post dealing with katana, we have 1 or 2 links to manufacturers, but I didn't find any list..

    If it's going to be done, there are the two I had to deal with ^^
    (no comments or reviews, just contacts..)

    Zhi Sword
    http://www.zhangsword.com/ WEB
    http://stores.ebay.com.cn/zhisword STORE
    Production swords ; Chinese
    Japanese and chinese swords
    Average price range : 150 - 500 USD

    Cheness Inc.
    http://www.chenessinc.com/
    Production swords ; Chinese made, US based
    Japanese swords
    Average price range : 150 - 400 USD
    Last edited by Remi C; 01-04-2007 at 05:30 AM.

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    Fred Chen Types and Spinoffs

    Cold Steel
    http://www.coldsteel.com/
    Production swords ; Chinese made, US based
    Japanese swords
    Average price range : 500-900 USD

    Oni Forge
    http://www.oniforge.com/
    Production & Semi-custom swords ; Chinese made, US based
    Japanese swords
    Average price range : 250-2500 USD

    Last Legend
    http://www.lastlegend.com/
    Production swords; Chinese made, US based
    Japanese swords
    Average price range : 300-900 USD

    Dynasty Forge
    http://www.dynastyforge.com/
    Production swords; Chinese made, Canada based
    Japanese swords
    Average price range : 400-3000 USD

    Huanuo Sword
    http://www.huanuosword.com/
    Production swords; Chinese made, Chinese based
    Japanese swords
    Average price range : 400-3000 USD

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    Aoi Budo
    www.budo-aoi.com
    Production & Custom Iaito/Shinken
    Japanese Made/Based
    Japanese Swords/Misc
    Price Range: $259.00 - $7,000.00

    Jidai
    www.Jidai.Jp
    Production $ Custom Iaito/Shinken
    Japanese Made/Based
    Japanese Swords/Armor/Misc
    Price Range: $300.00 - $19,000.00

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    Having touble digging up some info on....

    Bugei
    www.bugei.com
    ?? Made/ US Based ---- ??Who makes their blades and where??
    Production & Custom Iaito/Shinken
    Japanese Swords/Misc.
    Price Range: $480.00 - $3,000.00++

    Paul Chen/Cas Iberia/Hanwei --- Should all these be listed under same listing or seperate? Wheres his swords made?

    Token Mino --- Looks like Aoi-Budo's site. Is this a sister company??

    Tozando --- Who makes their blades and where? Are they just a store front or do they own the rights to their products?

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    Martial Arts Swords --- Who makes their swords? Where?

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    MAS produces in Korea and is located in Canada I believe.

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    Sticky this, please!

    EDIT: Zhang's English web-site (under construction): http://www.zhangsword.com/

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    About MAS

    as far as I know MAS produces/forges the blades in Japan!
    The assembling takes place in S.Korea.

    However that´s what I was told from MAS when I ordered my Custom L6:
    "The smith is Yong Soo Park who was invited to Masters of Fire exhibition as the representative of Korea (http://www.arscives.com/mastersofire/exhibits.htm). The blade is initially forged in Japan using Japanese produced steel and heat treatment and mounting is done in South Korea."

    Thought I just let you know
    Last edited by Reinhard Guggenberger; 01-04-2007 at 11:13 AM.

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    Lightbulb

    Quote Originally Posted by Timo Qvintus View Post
    Sticky this, please!

    EDIT: Zhang's English web-site (under construction): http://www.zhangsword.com/
    changed the adress on my post, thanks !

    B.Blackwell, maybe we can start gathering all the info on your first post ? we already have quite a list here

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    Remi,

    I was wondering how long we should let the list grow before we compile it. No matter what it can always be updated I guess but I know there are a few more manufacturers out there I just can't recall at this time. Also still looking for some good info on Paul Chen and Bugei.

    Also trying to dig up some info on Masahiro, Musashi and Ryumon. Hopefully we get stickied ( wait, that almost doesn't sound right, LOL )

    Blackwell

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    you're right, we need first to have complete info for all forges, not only links.

    c'mon guyz !

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    but maybe we should define WHAT kind of info we are looking for?
    Name....................
    Web Link................
    Produced in/by........
    Prize Range.............

    I don´t think that we should consider "rating" quality or other things as these are quite subjective (and maybe the prizes can give you hint about that)

    What do you think?
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    Name: WKC Solingen
    Web: Link http://www.wkc-sports.com/index.html
    German made katana TUV certified
    Prize Range: $220 - 2200


    Name : Thaisuki Nihonto (not!)
    Web link: http://www.thaitsuki.co.uk/index.html
    Thai Made Katana
    Prize range: $600 -1000

    Name: Jarmory
    Web Link: http://www.j-armory.com/
    Sells: Furuyama, Last Legend, Paul Chen, Boutoken L6
    Price range: $ 300 -2100
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    Yep, I really like the format you and loren started off with that's perfect. I also agree it shouldn't include any kind of rating or review, just the facts. Who, what, where, when, and how

    There should also be a disclaimer that the price range can and will vary and the price ranges listed are just ballpark estimates.

    Blackwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.Blackwell View Post
    Remi,

    I was wondering how long we should let the list grow before we compile it. No matter what it can always be updated I guess but I know there are a few more manufacturers out there I just can't recall at this time. Also still looking for some good info on Paul Chen and Bugei.

    Also trying to dig up some info on Masahiro, Musashi and Ryumon. Hopefully we get stickied ( wait, that almost doesn't sound right, LOL )

    Blackwell
    Hi Guys,

    I am no katana scholar but can share some stuff. What is a little suprising is that some of these stories have been retold in recent threads that most have probably read, some participated in. For instance, there was a nicely informative thread about the Musashi swords just the other day. Even I learned something new from that. Kenneth should stop by more often

    In the past couple of years, one of the confusion factors has become folk wondering about Paul Chen. We all know there are two of them, right? There is Paul Chen of Hanwei and Paul Chen of Cheness.

    Chen Chao-Po is the Paul Chen who founded the Hanwei company. He is an enthusiast that founded a manufacturing plant back in the 1990s (97?). Even the large retailers of Hanwei product refer to them as Paul Chen's swords and this doesn't help on the confusion factor. Bugei swords are part of the production in the Hanwei plant. These are sword designs that Bugei has developed over the years, in close co-operation with Paul. The regular lines of katana from Hanwei have benefitted from this. C.A.S.Iberia is the importer for Hanwei. If you have a Hanwei product, the shipping container was consigned to C.A.S. Iberia. C.A.S.Iberia works with other producers as well. There is an old chat transcript that might be of interest to some. It can be found over at www.netsword.com I'm not sure but it may be Paul Southren's sword buyers guide that has a short bio for Chen Chao-Po, Wikipedia has a short blurb as well.

    Paul Chen of Cheness has given his own information on these very boards. Look for Cheness in thread titles, the search engine should be able to pull those up. He had been pretty regular here for a while. I believe the user name is P.Y.Chen.

    Masahiro and Ryumon also get a fair share of talk, some of that pretty recently too. You can read some about their production at www.mastercutlery.com


    Most well laid out sites have a link that is information oriented. It's usually the one that reads "About Us"

    Some of the other lore and legends get a little lost and twisted over time. For sure, some of these names and companies go back quite a few years. Even the front page here at http://swordforum.com can be highly informative, althugh some information is a bit dated.

    Like I say, katana aren't really my thing. I can appreciate them and have seen the offerings blossom over the past decade. Just don't lose sight of why some swords might be less expensive than others. Superficial examination may not reveal much. Folk may have different expectations and there is nothing wrong with that. Realistically, take a good hard look at everything available in a given price range.

    As far as making a thread like this sticky, messaging a moderator would be the way to go. It's not hard to bookmark, or subscribe to a thread. It's not even that hard to put up an internet page with the links.

    Good luck with the list. Don't forget to read the threads in this and other sections here. Do click the "About Us" links when you visit sites.

    Cheers

    Hotspur; lots on the front page of SFI to read

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    Semi-Compiled List...

    DISCLAIMER: The manufacturers listed are in no particular order. All information is subject to change. This list is for reference only. All information was/is intended to be as accurate and un-biased as possible. This list was compiled as a group effort. Error corrections/changes/updates will be kindly considered and appreciated. Thank You



    Zhi Sword
    http://www.zhangsword.com/ WEB
    http://stores.ebay.com.cn/zhisword STORE
    Chinese Made
    Production & Custom Shinken/Iaito
    Japanese and Chinese Swords
    Average price range : $150.00 - $1,000.00

    Cheness Inc.
    www.chenessinc.com
    Chinese Made/ Us Based
    Production Shinken/Iaito
    Japanese Swords/Misc.
    Average price range : $150.00 - $400.00

    Cold Steel
    www.coldsteel.com
    Chinese Made/ Us Based
    Production Swords
    Japanese/Medieval/Renaissance
    Average price range : $500.00 - $900.00

    Oni Forge
    www.oniforge.com/
    Chinese Made, Us Based
    Production & Semi-custom swords
    Japanese swords
    Average price range : $250.00 - $2500.00

    Last Legend
    www.lastlegend.com
    Chinese Made/ Us Based
    Production swords
    Japanese swords
    Average price range : $300.00 - $900.00

    Dynasty Forge
    www.dynastyforge.com
    Chinese Made/ Canadian Based
    Production swords
    Japanese swords
    Average price range : $400.00 - $3000.00

    Huanuo Sword
    www.huanuosword.com
    Chinese Made/ Chinese Based
    Production swords
    Japanese swords
    Average price range : $400.00 - $3000.00 USD

    Aoi Budo
    www.budo-aoi.com
    Production & Custom Iaito/Shinken
    Japanese Made/Based
    Japanese Swords/Misc
    Price Range: $259.00 - $7,000.00

    Jidai
    www.Jidai.Jp
    Production $ Custom Iaito/Shinken
    Japanese Made/Based
    Japanese Swords/Armor/Misc
    Price Range: $300.00 - $19,000.00

    Bugei
    www.bugei.com
    Chinese Made/ US Based (Hanwei Forged)
    Production & Custom Iaito/Shinken
    Japanese Swords/Misc.
    Price Range: $480.00 - $3,000.00++

    WKC Solingen
    www.wkc-sports.com/index.html
    German made/ TUV certified
    Production Shinken
    Japanese Swords
    Prize Range: $220 - 2200


    Thaisuki Nihonto
    www.thaitsuki.co.uk/index.html
    Thai Made
    Production & Custom Shinken/Iaito
    Japanese Swords
    Prize range: $600 -1000

    Hanwei Forge
    www.allovertheinterenet.com
    Chinese Made
    Production Swords
    Japanese/Medieval/Renaissance Etc.
    Price Range: $200.00 and Up

    Masahiro/Ryumon
    www.mastercutlery.com
    Chinese Made
    Production Shinken
    Japanese Swords
    Price Range: $59.99 and Up

    MAS
    www.martialartswords.com
    Pre-Forge Japan/ Final Forge and Assembly in Korea
    Production and Custom Shinken/Iaito
    Japanes & Korean Swords
    Price Range: $700.00 - $2300.00

    Kris Cutlery
    www.kriscutlery.com
    Chinese Made/ Us Based
    Production Custom Shinken
    Japanese, Korean, Phillipine, Antigue, Armor
    Price Range: $200.00 - $1,000.00+

    Here's what I got so far I'm still working on the custom forges provided in an earlier post.

    Blackwell
    Last edited by B.Blackwell; 01-06-2007 at 02:38 PM. Reason: Edited to add to list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhard Guggenberger View Post
    as far as I know MAS produces/forges the blades in Japan!
    The assembling takes place in S.Korea.

    However that´s what I was told from MAS when I ordered my Custom L6:
    "The smith is Yong Soo Park who was invited to Masters of Fire exhibition as the representative of Korea (http://www.arscives.com/mastersofire/exhibits.htm). The blade is initially forged in Japan using Japanese produced steel and heat treatment and mounting is done in South Korea."

    Thought I just let you know
    Reinhard, please reread what was said before passing that information on any further, the MAS blades are made into a sunobe like object before leaving Japan, they barely resemble a sword when they leave Japan.

    They finish the forging (I believe) in Korea, as Loren said.

    So, in short, MAS has pre-forging in Japan, but the sword does not come into shape until it is touched at the next forge.

    You can not forge a blade in Japan and send it out legally, without a lot of red tape and proof it was made under government allowance and are NBTHK approved.
    I like swords.

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    Someone should compile this list and make it a sticky thread

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    European (Czech) Smith

    Another european member of this forum was so kind as to pm me with a link of an european smith (Mr. Pavel Bolf).
    I contacted him and he has no objection for posting this link:
    http://jswords.com/galerie_katana-eng.html - take a look!

    I think his work looks quite good and might be of interest to other european based members of this forum.

    Just another thing: He does not speak english (all the correspondece is done by some friend of his who translates for him) and he told me that it will take about a year for an order to be finished.

    Thought I let you know!

    PS. I really really hope I haven´t overlooked something again!!
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    Thank you for that link,
    Checked 2 blades on sale for price came to USD 1700 and USD 3000
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    Just to add that Mr. Bolf is an aikidoka first and swordsmith second, and that he polishes and mounts his katanas himself (or with some help), but is not polishing ANY other blades except made by him. About munting, I'm not sure (Czech is similar to Croatian, but not all that similar ), but he does make tsubas, kogai and kozukas, so...
    I contemplated a custom katana or a daisho from him a few years ago, but it look like I contemplated a little bit too much, got married, and you can guess the rest...

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    OK, I PM'd a Moderator and was told they would get back to me on making this thread a sticky. I am still working on the "custom manufacturers" list. If anyone has anymore to add or corrections, please feel free to chime in Thanks

    Blackwell

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