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    Indian Tulwar made of mechanical damascus

    Courtesy of Rob Miller of Liongate Arms & Armor.

    This piece features a 28-1/8th blade believed to be of mechanical damascus. You don't hear much about Indians forge-welding their steel. So I'd welcome comments on the details of the blade -- especially from Greg Obach!

    Source: http://www.antiqueswords.com/bq375.htm
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    Another!

    And here's another pattern welded blade from a 19th century Tulwar, also couresty of Liongate Armos & Armor.

    Also note the pattern welding.

    Is there a particular clasification this watering patter falls under, other than perhaps "random"?

    Souce: http://www.antiqueswords.com/bq1418.htm
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    Hi Adrian

    i do like patternwelding alot... and Indian smiths did do some very nice work !

    the top one does look like alot of laddering was put into the design... but I'm not sure if this was done by adding alot of grooves and forging flat or simply the result of heavy fullering while drawing out the barstock..

    i'd lean towards the heavy fullering..... if you look closely, the laddering doesn't cut across many of the flat layers..

    aswell... the bottom does look like a nice random pattern blade... very nice !

    I know there is much attention focused on wootz steel but the Indian smiths did some very good patternwelding and iron work.

    fantastic arms tradition !

    Greg

    seeing another post reminded me of the Indian Chevron blades...... my goodness that is wonderful patternwelding !
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    Greg,

    I totally agree. The Indians have not been given enough credit with their pattern welding work. Of the several Tulwars I've handled, I've yet to find any inclusions or welding flaws. Now that is a testament to their skill.

    Just put any Indian blade in a khanda hilt, and I'm a sucker for it!
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    Have you seen the indian blades made by forgewelding chevrons of pattern welded and wootz steel together? I belive there is an example in Manfred Sachse's book on Damascus Steel and I know that Al Pendray has been doing it in recent times as well.

    Thomas

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    Hi Thomas

    Ric did a chevron blade on a SFI spotlight
    http://swordforum.com/summer99/ricfurrer.html

    I did see a pendray Kard on custom knife forum... someone had it for sale there....

    http://www.customknifegallery.com/pendray1f.html


    http://www.nikhef.nl/~tonvr/keris/ke...rns/pat08.html

    and some Ancient stuff

    http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1918

    http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1422


    very humbling

    Greg

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    One thing to remember is that pattern welding is a direct offshoot of the bloomery method of making wrought iron. So pretty much every culture that has used the bloomery method of making wrought iron has come up with pattern welding sometime during their history.

    It's wootz that is a conceptual leap to a different area.

    Thomas

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    Nice thread to learn from. I've never thought about this topic.
    Please forgive my english.

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    If I understand right, wootz were for the better tulwars and those who could afford it, like nobility. Pattern welding was second in quality.

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    Nice pattern welded blades. Thanks Adrian for sharing.

    Kind regards

    Manouchehr

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    Indian pattern welded steel rocks!
    I have a bar of patternwelded steel from a guy in Rajasthan, No flaws whatsoever .
    I am currently making a blade from it, will post pics once done
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    What polishing might the Mirror of the Heart require"

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