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    Collection of Arms and Armor from Turkey

    Hi folks,

    I've just returned from a trip to Istanbul, and while there I've managed to squeeze in a little time to view the collection of Islamic Arms and Armor, as well as the captured Crusader equipment and weapons and weapons from the Crimean War.

    All pictures are taken of items on display at the Topkapi Palace Armory, and the Turkish Military Museum.

    Ottoman helm, possibly 13-15th C


    Mace and axes, possibly horseman's


    Ottoman Helm & Maille, front & back view


    Maille, and details


    Helm, with Chainmaille Aventail


    Armor Plates, Ottoman
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    Shamshir and Yatagan

    The Yatagan made it's appearance in the second half of the 16th Century. The hilt is generally made of bone or ivory and the pommel is flared. It's short , slightly curved blade is sharp on one edge and comes to a fine point. This form continues unchanged until the end of the 19th Century. The yatagan was widely used in both the Ottoman army and navy.

    Shamshir and 17th C Executioner's Sword

    The turkish sword is usually consisted of a blade which is grooved, a hilt, guard, and scabbard. It's basic form is well illustrated by the sword of Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror, with it's slightly curved blade that thickens at the back. During the reigns of Sultan Bayezid and Suleyman the Magnificent, the Turkish sword attained it's classic form, becoming shorter, lighter, and straighter. These changes made it a more effective and efficient weapon. Swords are usually embellished with inscriptions and motifs typical of the period.

    Islamic Armor and Helm, rear view

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    Katana & European Longsword (Sword of Stefan, Roman, 15th Century)

    The origins of the Sword of Stefan was not given, but it is likely to be a gift to the Ottoman Sultans, as with the 17-18th Century Katana, which was displayed together with a full set of Japanese Armor.

    European Swords

    I think the two larger specimens were probably meant for ceremonial usage or possibly tribute or gifts. They were about the height of my wife, who is pictured to give a sense of scale (her height is 163cm ~ or about 5' 4" for those who don't think in metric)

    Islamic Army Standards and Pikes / Spears
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    And that's all for tonight. I'll need another day or so to upload the far larger collection on display at the Turkish Military Museum, Istanbul.

    For those who would like to have a closer look at other pictures not featured here, kindly lefty clicky >here< for the Photo Set and >here< for the slide-show.

    Thank you, and any comments are welcome
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    Those are great pictures - I know it can be hard to take good photos of displays.
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    Tomé, I send you a salute from Mexico, and I thank you for this wonderful photos. I will wait with great interest the more to come.
    My best regards

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    Thank you so much for these photos! They are absolutely top notch--I'm saving them to my computer to consult, and live vicariously through you
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    thank you
    very nice pic's... love the swords.. and armor is fantastic

    excellent
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    Great pictures Tomé! Thank you for posting them.

    A slight correction though: the swords pictured next to the shamshir are shashkas, not yataghan. The yataghan has a forward curve and a different type of hilt http://www.oriental-arms.com/search....an&s.x=0&s.y=0

    The sword of Stefan is the sword of "Stefan cel Mare", Stephen the Great, the Romanian prince of Moldova.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A slight correction though: the swords pictured next to the shamshir are shashkas, not yataghan. The yataghan has a forward curve and a different type of hilt [url
    http://www.oriental-arms.com/search.php?q=yataghan&s.x=0&s.y=0[/url]

    The sword of Stefan is the sword of "Stefan cel Mare", Stephen the Great, the Romanian prince of Moldova.
    Thanks! I was hunting high and low for that information.

    The following pictures are from the in the Istanbul Military Museum, Turkey.

    Ottoman Warrior Display


    Details of Armor: Belting Harness


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    Mounted Warrior displays



    Details of Greave attachment to harness:
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    Fabric-covered shirt of Maille, Ottoman, belonging to Grand Vizer Mahmut Pasha (? - 1474)


    Shirt of Maille, belonging to Sultan Keykubat I (1317-1344)


    Surprisingly (to me anyway ), many of the maille armor were opened in front, allowing them to be worn like coats.


    Details of Fastenings


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    Illustrations or armored warriors, and chainmaille construction:


    Arm guards and Gauntlets


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    Gold-plated Breastplate, Ottoman, 17th Century


    (left) Ottoman Helm, 16th Century, (right) Persian Helm, 16th-17th Century


    Greaves, Islamic, 15th Century
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    I really like the blade on the Horseman's spear/lance. really big
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    I love the calligraphy and inlay on the Ottokman armour and helmets....thankyou for sharing
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    Excellent Tomé! Perhaps moderators could make this thread a sticky, it would be great to have it as a constant reference.

    In the picture with close-ups of the infantryman's harness, we can see a khanjar in his sash. That type of khanjar is associated with Syria so I I find it interesting that the museum officials/curators used a Syrian style of khanjar instead of a Turkish one.
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    Armor being used; Mether Performance.






    The Mether was the world's original military band. It's drums were used first by the mongols to disrupt enemy morale, and other instruments were later added. The Mether bands were the inspiration for modern european military bands in the 16th century onwards.

    The reconstruction of the Mether band by the Turkish Military Museum includes three "guards" in full armor, with another three "Janissaries" in traditional garb.

    A video of the performance, can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeTUfLOWN7E
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    Recurve Bow Illustrations:


    Recurve bows:


    Arrows:


    Leather Archery Target:


    Coming up next, captured weapons and armor from the Crusades and other wars with Europe!
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    Tome

    Thank you very much for sharing these pictures with us. They are excellent.

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    Could you possible post the pics directly on SFI?

    Kind regards
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    Great pics Tome, thanks for sharing them.

    Do you have any higher res pictures of the Mamluk mail-and-plate armours by any chance?

    Thanks.


    On a slightly unrelated issue, i've noticed that the curators at the Askeri Muse are still under the misapprehension that greaves are vambraces.

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    Hi, sorry for the break, but work has been murder ~ and a flu added does not help.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manouchehr M. View Post
    Could you possible post the pics directly on SFI?
    Manouchehr, I'll see what what I can do. The pics are at about 2mb each; will the storage be a problem?


    Now, on with the show:

    Swords, German, 14th C


    Rapiers, 17th C


    Early Rapier, European, 17th C (I'd say Germanic, but I could be wrong)


    Sword, German, 15th C (although it looks more like a Schiavona)


    Sword, Spnish, 16th Century & Lance, Bohemia, 1437-1439, Made for King Albrecht and Queen Elizabeth


    Sword, Italian, 15th C
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    Long Sword, European, 15th C


    Great Sword, German, 17th C


    Arming Sword, French, 15th-16th C


    Arming Sword, Italian, 15th C


    Arming Sword, European, 15th C


    Ranseur, Italian, 16th C


    Long (?) Sword, Italian or Spanish, 15th C


    Long Swords, German, 15th-16th C


    Swords, European, Various
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    Nemesis Force Wea... err... I mean, Sword with Revolver, Second Half of 19th C


    Swords, Mamluke, 15th-16th C


    Sword (possible early C&T vide rapier), European, 16th C


    Arming Sword, German, 14th C


    Arming Sword, European, 15th C


    Long Sword, German, 14th C


    Sword, Italian, 15th C


    Long (Great? due to length of hilt)) Sword, German (Passau), 15th C


    Halberd, Italian, 16th C
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