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    Question Production blades with a "real yokote"? What is a yokote?

    I've been thinking, which exactly are the katana that have a plane shift at the yokote, and this, in turn, is properly placed?

    I thought the higher end Dynasty Forge katana had it, but that might not necessarily be the case, and I've been looking at Hanwei katana and I although I have the impression that most, if not all models, have a "real yokote", I can't actually confirm it. So, I'm making this thread to attempt and make a list of sorts, of which katana have an actual yokote that isn't just counter polished into the tip.

    So far I've come up with:

    Citadel Yoshi
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    Actually that is the only one I can think of for sure. Would you guys like to add some more to the list? I'm sure there are many of you with sizable collections that can name a few.
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    I'm pretty sure Bugei swords have real yokote.
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    I've got a pc bushido with a geometry change at the yokote...I believe the higher-end and some of the mid-line (not elite or xl) models have this as well. My pc ppk does not.

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    I think the Paul Chen Forged series and higher should all have real yokote's, while practical lines dont.

    Though my tsuru stainless steel iaito does, haha

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    I have real yokote on KC Bingo Mihara and "Masahiro Bamboo", not 100% sure about my Oni Tonbo and ZhiSword, I'll have to check

    My PC Orchid does NOT have real yokote, nor do my PC Practicals.
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    No physical change in geometry in my PPK

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    My PC Musashi has a real yokote - a very well defined one as well
    as you can feel the change in geometry .

    also my PC Bushido also has a well defined geometric yokote

    Now my KC Shingen has a definite change in geometry at the yokote but its not as sharp or well defined as the PC blades I mentioned, its definitely not just counter polished to reveal a cosmetic yokote .


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    My PC Wind & Thunder has a very visable real yokote

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    My bugei does,
    my Thaitsuki doesnt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remy B View Post
    My bugei does,
    my Thaitsuki doesnt
    Ah Remy... Your thaitsuki thread gave some good laughs. Don't worry, if there is any justice in this world you'll find a great bargain one day.
    Thanks for the input guys. Keep'em coming
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    Oni Tonbo has real yokote, ZhiSword doesn't (it's an iaito, so not really a surprise there).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelo Silva View Post
    Ah Remy... Your thaitsuki thread gave some good laughs. Don't worry, if there is any justice in this world you'll find a great bargain one day.
    Thanks for the input guys. Keep'em coming
    HEHE! well at least it found a use if it made you laugh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy C. View Post
    My PC Wind & Thunder has a very visable real yokote
    That's strange, mine has none - it's cosmetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat Rous View Post
    That's strange, mine has none - it's cosmetic.
    Well I am relatively new to katana style swords, but there is a definate line running perpendicular to the ha, and the surface of the blade flares out to the line and then flares back toward the point; that is yokote right? This sword was bought from Shadow of Leaves and has different fittings and a blue silk ito, but it is a W&T blade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy C. View Post
    This sword was bought from Shadow of Leaves and has different fittings and a blue silk ito, but it is a W&T blade.
    So THAT'S where the o-kissaki customized 4-lobe kat ended up. I was considering buying that very same blade during the "Tax Rebate" sale at SoL but somebody beat me to the punch. Hell of a deal on that one ya got there with the upgraded f/k, tsuba, menuki, ito, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy C. View Post
    Well I am relatively new to katana style swords, but there is a definate line running perpendicular to the ha, and the surface of the blade flares out to the line and then flares back toward the point; that is yokote right? This sword was bought from Shadow of Leaves and has different fittings and a blue silk ito, but it is a W&T blade.
    The yokote on mine is very faint and ground in. It's part of the reason that the W&T used to be called a shobu with a yokote (which it isnt).
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    Maybe it's a generation-thing with the PC's?
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    I really wish someone did a definitive and in depth overview of all the PC generation in each line. Be quite a job but valuable.

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    Hi All,
    Timo I think you maybe onto something there, Ive handled two shinto, one had a very well defined yakote, my own shinto has a very shallow one, and the two swords seem to be finnished slightly differently. The tiger classic has a very defined yakote, more so than any other sword I have handled(nihonto included).
    Regards andy

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy jones View Post
    The tiger classic has a very defined yakote, more so than any other sword I have handled(nihonto included).
    Regards andy
    That is largely because the Tiger Classic has a ko-kissaki and substantial kasane; with a longer point and thinner blade, the yokote would be far less dramatic. Here's a pic of my Tiger Classic's kissaki area-
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    That looks really nice Jerry, wish I still had my old tiger, but my chiburi wasn't so good back then, so I sold it for the wrong reasons, I should have worked harder on my skills

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    Andy, out of the 2 Shinto's I dont suppose you know which one was the older one.

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    yes I do, my one was one of the first I saw in england with bo hi,about 3+years ago the other was purchased about 6months ago(this had a better everything not just yokote), would indicate PC are committed to improving their products.

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    I've got a pc tsunami on the way...anyone know if this one has the "real" thing? Sure hope so...

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    I don't believe the tsunami does...but don't take my word as gospel. It's been a while since I handled one.
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