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    HES Resources at the Bayerische Staatsbibliothek's Digital Library

    [MODERATOR'S NOTE: This thread was split off from a previous thread in order to point out the extensive, webbed collection of HES texts sitting in the Bayerische library.]

    Hmm. I'm almost inclined to say we should have a section in the HES Reference section devoted to items of interest from the Bayerische Staatsbibliothek's Digital Library--this is the third work of interest to this community I've seen from that site so far, and all of them high-quality digital reproductions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles B View Post
    Hmm. I'm almost inclined to say we should have a section in the HES Reference section devoted to items of interest from the Bayerische Staatsbibliothek's Digital Library--this is the third work of interest to this community I've seen from that site so far, and all of them high-quality digital reproductions.
    They have a s*** load of stuff, I believe the material formerly in Augsburg is now there as well. (Does anyone know?) Wow using this is so much easier than my old microfilms.
    Steve

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    Okay, so on this site, I have found:

    Paulus Kal: http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/~db/bsb00001840/images/
    Hans Thalhofer: http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/~d...0020451/images
    Ars Athletica from Paulus Hector Mair:
    http://mdz1.bib-bvb.de/~db/bsb00006570/images
    http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/~d...0007894/images
    Achille Marozzo: http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/~d...0024290/images
    2 Works by Leckuechner:
    http://mdz1.bib-bvb.de/~db/bsb00002184/images/
    http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/~d...0024296/images

    What others are there?

    Perhaps a moderator could split this to a separate thread?

    Steve
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Reich View Post

    What others are there?
    At least two copies of Meyer's fechtbuch

    http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/~db/0002/bsb00024580/images/
    http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/~db/0002/bsb00024583/images/

    Sorry for the offtopic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hick View Post
    They have a s*** load of stuff, I believe the material formerly in Augsburg is now there as well. (Does anyone know?) Wow using this is so much easier than my old microfilms.
    Steve
    Sorry this was poorly written, the BSB has in its collection many work, including the material formerly in the collection of the University of Augsberg. Hils provides this list, as does AEMMA, perhaps some 15 manuscripts.

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Reich View Post
    Okay, so on this site, I have found:


    2 Works by Leckuechner:
    http://mdz1.bib-bvb.de/~db/bsb00002184/images/
    http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/~d...0024296/images

    Steve
    I would separate this into

    Leckuechner
    http://mdz1.bib-bvb.de/~db/bsb00002184/images/
    and

    Egenolph's Compendium
    http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/~d...0024296/images

    Egenolph's compendium may contain a "messer" section, but it is substantially different from Leckuechner (willfully or not).

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    Does anyone know if there are any limitations on the use of the material on these pages? I (with a little help from my friends) wrote a small program to grab the high resolution scans of each page in a book and save it to my computer. Have I broken any rules/laws by using this program? Can these scans be used freely for noncommercial purposes? How about commercial ones?

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    Petter,

    That issue has been discussed on other threads a fair bit.

    Short answer:
    No-one here can give you legal advice - your best option is to contact the museum and ask before you do anything with the images, either copying them or re-distributing them.

    Long answer -
    They dont own the images in the manuscript but they do own the images on the net. One is not the other. Non-commercial use should not be a legal issue as there are no damages incurred. The issue with that is the pottential loss of good will from the museum and withdrawl of the net images which is bad for everyone. Commercial use without permission will land you in court.
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    Hi Petter,

    non-commercial use, or use at a class as reference, or to use them to help you in research, even if you would profit from the research should be all right, that is why the images are online anyway; it is the same as going to a museum to take photos of armor and use that for research, or like borrowing/studying any book in a library or studying art in a gallery.

    However, if you talk about commercial use in the sense of reproducing the whole facsimile of a treatise for sale, that is not to be done. For use of some of the images with a published article, or webpage, should be all right given that you cite the source of the images, and for the benefit of the reader it is a good idea to provide a link for the whole experience.

    I am not a lawyer or legal expert, but I believe these to be good rules of engagement. When doing any kind of published use of the images, it does not hurt to ask for permission from the owner/administrator of the collection where the scans are from. I am sure they will be happy to provide the images for that sort of use, especially when the collection is not private.

    - Ilkka

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petter Brodin View Post
    Does anyone know if there are any limitations on the use of the material on these pages? I (with a little help from my friends) wrote a small program to grab the high resolution scans of each page in a book and save it to my computer. Have I broken any rules/laws by using this program? Can these scans be used freely for noncommercial purposes? How about commercial ones?
    When I went to look at the Der Altenn Fechter anfengliche Kunst that Steven posted and saw that I could download it as a PDF. Before I could download it I was asked to agree to use it only for "private or academic purposes."

    I hope that helps.

    Cheers,
    Scott
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    I was looking for various manuscripts today, and came across another BSB special:

    http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/~db/0002/bsb...3&no=2&seite=1

    This is von Guntterodt's book from 1579, which apparently has references to Joachim Meyer and others.

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    And more to come. Apparently a copy of Hans Wurm's wrestling treatise:

    Hye in disem büchlin findt man die recht kunst vnd art des Ringens

    -Jukka-

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    Alessandri, Torquato d': Il Cavalier Compito (1609)

    Alessandri, Torquato d': Il Cavalier Compito, Nel quale si discorre d'ogni scienza, di ragion di Stato, di Medicina, di Metheora, di dubbi Caualiereschi, e del modo nouo d'imparar à schermir con spada bianca, e difendersi senz'armi, Viterbo 1609

    http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/~db/bsb00008...&no=26&seite=1

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    Another, earlier print of what seems to be Hans Wurm's wrestling treatise: Das ist ain hybsh ring byechlin, Augspurg, 1509

    -Jukka-

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    Now this was nice to find: CGM558, 1462

    Yours,
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    Pacheco de Narvaez, Luis: Libro de las Grandezas de la Espada (1600)

    http://www.mdz-nbn-resolving.de/urn/...-bsb10159892-3

    (Thanks to Steve Hick for noticing this on the AEEA forum.)

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    Docciolini, Marco: Trattato in materia di scherma (1601)


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    The Bayerische Staatsbibliothek has kindly digitized the CGM 3711 and placed color scans on their website. They are available here:

    http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/...64546/image_61

    (Link directs to the most famous pretzel salesman in HEMA)

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    Thank you very much!!!

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