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    Charts: Ancient Swords

    Here are some of the charts that I have prepared and found that summarize typological, chronological and other trends in spathology.

    This first set has to do with swords of the Aegean Bronze Age. The material is taken from the landmark works of:

    N.K. Sandars
    in particular "The First Aegean Swords and Their Ancestry" (in AJA v.65) and "Later Aegean Bronze Swords" (in AJA v.67)

    Imma Kilian-Dirlmeier
    in particular "Die Schwerter in Griechenland, Bulgarien und Albanien in Prahistorische Bronzefunde, Abteilung IV Band 12


    I have numbered the charts in the file names so that if they are copied into a file and sorted by name they will appear in chronological order when seen as a slide show.

    These first two attachments are my attempts to try and combine graphically the Sandars and Kilian-Dirlmeier classification systems. The second is what I consider a better representation.

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    Two swords
    Lit in Edenís flame
    One of iron and one of ink
    To place within a bloody hand
    One of God or one of man
    Our souls to one of
    Two eternities

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    I have also made charts that summarize many of the descriptive and ancestry comments made by Sandars in "The First Aegean Swords and Their Ancestry" (AJA v.65) In each case I have tried to find images that would illustrate the points. I have also compiled cross sections for these types to show the complexity of the blade geometry.

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    Two swords
    Lit in Edenís flame
    One of iron and one of ink
    To place within a bloody hand
    One of God or one of man
    Our souls to one of
    Two eternities

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    Here are similar charts for the early Horned Swords.

    Information is taken primarily from Sandars "Later Aegean Bronze Swords." AJA v.67

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    Last edited by Kirk Spencer; 06-22-2009 at 12:54 PM.
    Two swords
    Lit in Edenís flame
    One of iron and one of ink
    To place within a bloody hand
    One of God or one of man
    Our souls to one of
    Two eternities

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    Charts for Cross Type swords. Again information taken from Sandars "Later Aegean Bronze Swords." AJA v.67


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    Two swords
    Lit in Edenís flame
    One of iron and one of ink
    To place within a bloody hand
    One of God or one of man
    Our souls to one of
    Two eternities

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    Charts for T-Hilt Swords (E & F class).

    Info from Sandars "Later Aegean Bronze Swords." AJA v.67

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    Lit in Edenís flame
    One of iron and one of ink
    To place within a bloody hand
    One of God or one of man
    Our souls to one of
    Two eternities

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    Charts of later Horned Swords (G & H class).

    Information abstracted from:
    Sandars "Later Aegean Bronze Swords." AJA v.67

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    Last edited by Kirk Spencer; 06-22-2009 at 12:51 PM.
    Two swords
    Lit in Edenís flame
    One of iron and one of ink
    To place within a bloody hand
    One of God or one of man
    Our souls to one of
    Two eternities

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    Here is a helpful Chronology Chart from

    Imma Kilian-Dirlmeier
    "Die Schwerter in Griechenland, Bulgarien und Albanien in Prahistorische Bronzefunde, Abteilung IV Band 12

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    Two swords
    Lit in Edenís flame
    One of iron and one of ink
    To place within a bloody hand
    One of God or one of man
    Our souls to one of
    Two eternities

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    Hey Kirk,

    As you know I've followed your efforts in regards to cataloguing sword pictures and types with interest. Thanks for sharing these with us. In fact I have to admit you have inspired me to do the same sort of thing with scabbards... it's a work in progress.
    Tritonworks Custom Scabbards
    www.tritonworks.com

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    Wow, Kirk, you really put in a lot of work on this! Thanks for sharing!

    Okay if someone puts a link to here on Bronze Age Center?
    "Courage is fear holding on a minute longer."--Gen. George S. Patton

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    You forgot the 3-D holographic Venn diagram.

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    great work man! this is a huge help!
    Go ahead, mock me! But it wasnt he who was laughing at me... it was GOD!!! *Dies Irae!*

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    Great work, and very helpful to me. Thank you!

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    Thanks guys!

    If anyone wants to get larger versions, just send me a PM.

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    Two swords
    Lit in Edenís flame
    One of iron and one of ink
    To place within a bloody hand
    One of God or one of man
    Our souls to one of
    Two eternities

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    Very nice; very informative. Thanks.

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    These are great! Thanks for sharing them.

    I particularly like the cross sections.
    "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, Merlot in one hand, Cigar in the other; body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, what a ride!"

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    hi everyone!

    Please,help! if someone have maps of spread swords,axes,arrow heads,spear heads 800-400 BC with classification what type weapon belongs to, in Europe,especially North-Western Europe please would You help me,i need ones.Or give advise where can i get these maps in the net.If there's impossible to get these maps,could anyone share just your knowledge about this weapon on the site.If the topic discussed here please give the link.

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