Some interesting old photos with swords

**David gray** · 05-14-2011, 08:55 AM

Wow so cheap or inexpensive in 1859, and yet 50 -60 years earlier you could spend a couple of houndred pounds or more on a presentation type sword, amazing prices thanks Robert.

**David gray** · 05-14-2011, 09:51 AM

This belongs back with the Wallace or Sir Graham swords, at over five feet in length it was in the bruce family and stayed at Clackmannan Tower home of the bruces untill the last Laird died in 1772.

**Thomas Fritz Zehe** · 05-17-2011, 08:24 PM

Patrick Wynne de Bathe
* 29. April 1876
+ 22. April 1939

Son from General Sir Gerald Henry Perceval de Bathe (* 19. Juni 1823, + 5. Januar 1907)

Photo around 1904.

And his Bride Violet Lindsay Wood.

**Robert Wilkinson-Latham** · 05-18-2011, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by Thomas Fritz Zehe

Patrick Wynne de Bathe
* 29. April 1876
+ 22. April 1939

Son from General Sir Gerald Henry Perceval de Bathe (* 19. Juni 1823, + 5. Januar 1907)

Photo around 1904.

And his Bride Violet Lindsay Wood.

Nice Court Sword!

**Robert Wilkinson-Latham** · 05-19-2011, 03:39 AM

Here is a photo of Lt L Falkland Carey of the 2nd Rifle brigade all kitted up for the Ashanti War carrying an Elcho bayonet (From Wilkinsons of course!) in place of a sword.

**Mark McMorrow** · 05-19-2011, 04:47 AM

great image, Robert (and I've been looking for a real Elcho for years!)

**David gray** · 05-22-2011, 07:34 AM

Just a hint of a basket in this one but we know who he is. This is an oil painting of Captain Valentine Chisholm of the 42nd Highland Regiment of foot. Like the good Scottish soldier he was he served in North America, West Indies and died in India, this painting is c1777.

**David gray** · 05-25-2011, 08:22 AM

This is an engraving by Charles John Tomkins born 1857, proof is signed by Longmore. He saw action in North America, the Crimea where he worked with Florence Nightingale and India. In 1858 he was promoted to Deputy Inspector General and in 1863 he became the Surgeon General at Netley Hospital. Longmore was active in establishing the principal of neutrality for medical services in war. He was the first UK representative in the Geneva Convention.

**David gray** · 05-26-2011, 10:04 AM

in the uniform of 4th Hussars with three bar guard I think this was around 1895.

**David gray** · 05-30-2011, 10:47 AM

Sir John Webb 1772-1852 was an army surgeon and MD, for some years he was Director General of the Ordinance Medical Dept of the army at Woolwich barracks. In 1841 he was awarded a knighthood in recognition of his services.

**David gray** · 06-02-2011, 02:38 PM

Meet General Sir James Hope Grant 1808-1875 a professional soldier who served in most of the major campaingns in China and India of his day. This photograph was taken during the 1860 campaign in China where he led a combined French/British force to encourage the Emperor to recognise his European trading treaties. He served in the Opium war of 1839-42 and resisted the Indian Mutiny eventually assuming command of the Madras army.

**David gray** · 06-02-2011, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Robert Wilkinson-Latham

Here is a photo of Lt L Falkland Carey of the 2nd Rifle brigade all kitted up for the Ashanti War carrying an Elcho bayonet (From Wilkinsons of course!) in place of a sword.

Hello Robert! would you or anyone know if that is just a walking stick in his right hand? The picture didn't want to come with the quote.

**Robert Wilkinson-Latham** · 06-03-2011, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by David gray

Hello Robert! would you or anyone know if that is just a walking stick in his right hand? The picture didn't want to come with the quote.

I have looked at the original and just a plain walking stick I am afraid!
Robert

**David gray** · 06-04-2011, 10:01 AM

Ach well too bad it looked too long to be a comfortable walking stick and reminded me of an air gun cane i used to have, thankyou Robert i can put my imagination back to bed now.

**David gray** · 06-08-2011, 09:06 AM

Here's a nice steel basket carried by Captain Godson at Quebec in 1759. Before 1798 and regulations officers of Highland regiments could carry swords of their own choosing some using older family weapons passed down.

**David gray** · 06-11-2011, 08:28 PM

This silver hilted broadsword was presented to Lieutenant-Colonel David Stewart of Garth in 1808 by officers of the 2nd battalion 78th Reg of foot. The hilt is by Joshua Johnston and incorporates oval gilt panels bearing Garth's Arms.

**David gray** · 06-14-2011, 06:20 AM

On Aug 13 1957 the modern Turkish army came to the Edinburgh Tatoo, a corp of Janissaries accompanied by 13th &14thc representatives of their armed forces of the period and the Mehts band

**David gray** · 06-15-2011, 03:38 PM

This sword bares the date 1562 but it may have been put together in the early 17thc. Sorry if you can't see it but the blade decoration is Scottish, etched and gilt with the arms and initials of Sir John Grant of Freuchie, the grip is shagreen with silver wire.

**David gray** · 06-17-2011, 08:02 AM

The last time this was up i asked who was the fellow that took the place of a clan member who didn't make the fight. Well he was Henry Gow or Smith or Hal O the Wynd known to Highland and Lowland as the best armourer that ever made sword and the truest soldier that ever drew one. He lived and worked in Perth and took the place of a Chattan warrior, and lived.

**David gray** · 06-19-2011, 12:05 PM

Admiral Adam Duncan, 1st Viscount Duncan of Camperdown, Commander of the North Sea fleet 1795-1800, born in Dundee Scotland in 1731-1804. The sword he carried has an ivory grip, gilt metal hilt, cushion shaped pommel. The second sword was presented to Duncan by the city of London in Nov 1797 one month after the battle of Camperdown. Worth at the time 200 Guineas the hilt made from silver gilt, grip decorated with enamel plaques and set with 33 rose cut diamonds. James Morisset is the gold smith, Robert Makepeace is the sword maker.

**David gray** · 06-19-2011, 12:16 PM

The Dutch Admiral De Winter"s sword and sheath surrendered at Camperdown on 11 Oct 1797, it has polished brown horn hilt. The second belonged to Dutch Vice Admiral Reyntjes, De Winter's 2nd in command. The Shamshir has a curved blade, flat backed with a wavy cutting edge, sheath is black leather with gilt metal mounts.

**Rob E. Ozias** · 06-19-2011, 02:20 PM

David. Both of the swords you show have an oriental look to them. The first has a yataghan look and the second, obviously a shamshir. They both belonged to Dutch Admirals... was that a common fashion at that time and place?

**David gray** · 06-19-2011, 04:09 PM

Hi Rob, the first is a Shashqui from the Caucasus region of central Asia, it was a fashion among the Dutch Naval officers because of their time in the Dutch East Indies.

**David gray** · 06-24-2011, 11:48 AM

No idea where this came from so can't say much about it other than it shows a police sword drill from likely the second half of the 19c.

**David gray** · 06-28-2011, 04:15 PM

From this point in 1879 he went to Kabul to join the Regiment and take part in the famous march from Kabul to Kandahar. There the British defeated the Afgan army under Ayub Khan in 1880. His distinguished military career started at age 20 and extended beyond WW1 rising to the rank of Major General, he passed away in 1951.