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    Leg cutting

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6vTjaKdVoI

    The leg cutting move I applied a lot during sparring was put to test with real sword.
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    Nice. Scary to think how easy that would be in reality...
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrck8D17l38

    Practicing solo wil drills in the padded sparring armor, showing that it does not hinder my movements any bit.
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    You move that huge sword really fast... How much control do you have when moving? I mean, if you had to suddenly step back a meter or so, would you be able to stop the momentum of that blade?
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    Every step can be adjusted in the direction, except the last move, which can be adjusted also but not 180 degree back.
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    Interesting. The sword looks heavy moving through the air. I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of it.
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    Wow.........

    I am sitting in a starbucks in Lubbock Texas, bored out of my mind, surfn SF and came across this...I am dumbfounded.... all I can say is WOW!
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    Excellent Lancelot! I agree you move with ease.

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    Thanks for everybody's kind words.
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    Brutal. Too rare do we ever get to see the damage these blades would cause, and it's frightening to imagine what it would be like to endure something like that. Usually we get TV specials with ballistics gel and people relying on hyped up experts using sub par weaponry as benchmarks, like Mythbusters and Deadliest Warrior.
    Every time I put on a suit for a wedding or other event, I feel like I'm wearing optimal clothing for an epic fight scene...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Justice View Post
    Brutal. Too rare do we ever get to see the damage these blades would cause, and it's frightening to imagine what it would be like to endure something like that. Usually we get TV specials with ballistics gel and people relying on hyped up experts using sub par weaponry as benchmarks, like Mythbusters and Deadliest Warrior.
    I've wished to test cut on those ballistic gel dummies too to see how well I do compare to those "experts".... I've even emailed the props maker that made their dummies to get a possible price quote and feasibility of shipping to Hong Kong but they never replied my email.
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    Just buy a newly slaugheted pig, then you can cut, slice and have a nice dinner. :P

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    My actual thoughts here: Get a big enough blade and apply enough force and you can deliver brutal cuts... IF YOU HIT YOUR TARGET. IMHO, CONTROL and TACTICAL FOCUS/AWARENESS are the skills that the JSA seek to develop and reinforce. Having absolute control over your weapon is what distinguishes the warrior from the armed peasant. Being able to cut is just one part of combative training with a sword. While possibly of value in a melee, I do not think that the cutting ability in the videos above would lead to dominance in a lethal one on one confrontation with a "trained swordsman".

    Cutting for the sake of cutting is not combative training and is often unsafe just as shooting a gun at a close static target is not combative training either. Control your weapon, learn to read the tactical possibilities and "choose well" and you will dominate in combat.
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    I guess when we see a movie like this it serves to remind us that swords are weapons before being anything else. In fact, every time I see something like this I cringe at thinking someone suffered such a strike.

    To use a sword is a warrior's burden. One must master it so it is used appropriately and only when necessary. Good thing those times are behind us
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    Hmm... that's why in the first post, I mentioned that this is a move I hit my opponent a lot in my sparring. In fact it hit so many times that I intended to test it with the sharp sword.

    The solo drill movements were "big moves" intended for "finishing an opponent" and training for relaxation. In combat the "small moves" open the way.
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    Indeed, a leg cut is actually quite difficult to defend against, particularly when it comes from a standing position such as the one you use in the video Lance.

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    Thanks, Luke A. Indeed it is.

    Here are a couple new videos of me practicing with students to prepare them for the upcoming tournament. In the videos, I employed mostly the "small moves" and "leg cuts". You may recognize some of the leg cuts to be the one I test cut with.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avkd19AB3fw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO6Z7jjO9pI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance Chan View Post
    Thanks, Luke A. Indeed it is.

    Here are a couple new videos of me practicing with students to prepare them for the upcoming tournament. In the videos, I employed mostly the "small moves" and "leg cuts". You may recognize some of the leg cuts to be the one I test cut with.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avkd19AB3fw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO6Z7jjO9pI
    Practicing with students before their tournament.
    This looks more like unskilled pugel stick sparring than real swordsmen training. All both of your opponents have to do is wait for you to start your cut which you telegraph early, back out of reach and, while your sword continues to travel away from the power line back behind you twisting your body with it, is deftly move back in and strike. While you are down low and twisted back to your left with your sword behind you is a perfect time to take your head as you are practically on your knees looking away to the left.

    *All you seem to be doing here is using your superior size and aggression against an untrained opponent who does not know how to get out of your reach or correctly block your cuts.
    *
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke A. View Post
    Indeed, a leg cut is actually quite difficult to defend against, particularly when it comes from a standing position such as the one you use in the video Lance.
    All you need to do, once the cut is started and the sword on it's way andcommitted to the cut, ESP this swordsman who let's his sword swing around behind him dragging his arms torso and head with him, is move out of the way rearward and then lunge back in while Lancelot is down low, torso twisted left and head/eyes looking left with sword behind his body.

    If you avoid the "leg cut" by retreating away from it just beyond the reach of lance's blade, then Lance is in a totally unaware and defenseless position once his sword travels past where your leg WAS and as the sword pulls him around to the left as he crouches....he is giving a skilled swordsman his head on the proverbial "silver platter".
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    Might work Stephen. Still, all attacks have openings. A sufficiently analytical mind will pick up on them regardless of how efficient the swordsman is at concealing his intention. How to react to the attack is mostly what you have learned to do. Personally, I'd try to intercept the attack before it finishes. Clearing my right leg would be the only issue...
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    Trying to intercept his powerful and uncontrolled attack would be the wrong thing to do. You would prefer to step into a powerful uncontrolled cut to intercept it? I would prefer to step back, let him flail past my leg and then step into the HUGE opening he gives me as he is all twisted /bound up, crouching low and to the left and cut him while his sword is back at his left shoulder, useless and his eyes n head are not even looking at me.
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    Second video, 03:04, is exactly how I deal with a missed cut when my opponent lunge back and missed my blade barely.
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    But your opponents do not know what they are doing....it's like you went and got random opponents off the street....lol.

    The guy pulled his whole body back ( all that was needed was a slight body shift rearward and PULLING IN HIS LEG) and hesitated too long before lunging into the huge opening you gave him, giving you time to recover from that huge uncontrolled cut that took you off power line way left.

    Promoting your swordsmanhip skills(????) and technique(????) by sparring against smaller, intimidated, unskilled opponents only makes you look like a self aggrandizing bully.

    I don't mean to be rude, you seem like a nice guy who is genuinely interested in the sword, but I have to be honest in my OPINION.

    Cheers!
    Last edited by StephenF; 11-07-2011 at 08:54 AM.
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    Stephen, I agree Lance is obviously the more skilled of the two, but he has already identified his opponents as student(s). How is a student to improve if not by sparring against superior opponents?
    I also agree that this is not really my kind of fighting style, but it's very easy to say "I'd just do this." watching a video over the internet. It may work in theory, but it may not necessarily work so well in person.

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