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    Unidentified sword patter

    Hi,

    Looking for pointers in the right direction about this one.

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    I thought I'd taken a photo of the blade but it seems not. It's a thin lenticular cross section with a very small ricasso. Straight, 34 inches.

    The guard is brass, shagreen covered hilt although almost all gone now.

    Thanks

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    Well, this is an interesting one. It is a Spanish M1840 sword for Cavalry Officers; these ones normally had blades made in Toledo, in the so-called "Toledo" style that Wilkinson later reproduced, curved or straight like this one, but this example could have a different blade according to your description (more pictures will be welcome indeed). Any marks on it?

    However, the most interesting part is of course the engraving on the bowl, belonging to a very obscure maker, the 'Fábrica del Ciego' (The Blind-man's Factory), which by now eludes a proper identification among the Spanish military sword scholars. The date shown matches rather well those of other works from the same shop (normally of this very same pattern), but does not help to solve the mystery: 'El Ciego' could be a place (some have pointed to a small village in Cuba), a family name, or even a nickname. But no one knows for sure, since no record or documentation has yet come to light. Therefore, the mystery remains...
    SI, SI
    NO, NON

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    Fantastic info, thanks Juan.

    The blade has been painted with a thick black paint at some point, I've squinted at it for a bit and there may be some mark underneath but hard to tell.

    I plan to get a chemical paint stripper on it tonight and will post an update soon.

    Regards

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    There is this sabre described in a similar fashion with the same inscription.
    http://hoploteca.blogspot.com/2017/1...ria-c1846.html

    Cheers
    GC

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    Thanks Glen,

    The same website describes another model: 1768 Dragoon pattern which has a blade very similar to mine.

    http://hoploteca.blogspot.com/2017/1...odelo.html?m=1

    I previously described it as a lenticular pattern but looking closely it is more of a flattened diamond. It may be hard to see from the images.

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    The paint is currently being chemically attacked. I'm eager to see if there is any inscription.

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    Finally got round to cleaning this one. Whatever the paint was on the blade, it resisted every chemical attack I tried.

    That paint will probably still be around with the cockroaches after the nuclear armageddon.

    There were no markings on the blade. If there ever was they have been corroded or worn away.

    After some more research I believe this blade fits the profile of the 1728/1796 pattern suggesting an heirloom blade refitted in 1846 perhaps for the 2nd carlist War which began in that year.

    I feel like I have rescued it somewhat but will leave any further restoration to future owners.

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    The blade might not be painted, but "Pitched" instead.

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    On holiday in Grenada, Spain and always on the lookout!

    Came across 2 swords on display in a tapas bar with blades similarly painted black. I wonder if my example spent years handing in a restaurant.

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    Hi Have the similar or same black finish on the guard of an 1821p HC troopers sword.

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