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Thread: American 1840p Cavalry sword with leather covered scabbard.

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    American 1840p Cavalry sword with leather covered scabbard.

    An unmarked and most likely Solingen made 1840p American cavalry sword having the steel scabbard covered in leather with attachment for the Sam Browne.
    Where some of the leather drag is missing reveals black paint. The pommel and guard is stamped with the number 69.
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    There are a couple of threads that have shown and discussed covered scabbards and hilts for the 1822 model swords. I'll dig in my most ancient bookmarks but there as one example listed as Australian with a canvas covered scabbard, as well examples in canvas listed for north African campaigns. Others, Mexican. I cannot recall any mention of the US m1840 being fielded with such scabbards vs all the mle1822 references.

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    Glen I look forward to any info you may find in this sword. The sword was one of two found in a southern Ontario estate in the Picton area.
    Last edited by Will Mathieson; 04-06-2019 at 10:58 AM.

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    http://www.swordforum.com/vb4/showth...-Mexican-sword
    http://www.swordforum.com/vb4/showth...-hilt-covering
    http://www.swordforum.com/vb4/showth...eather-Wrapped
    http://www.swordforum.com/vb4/showth...d-Steel-Mounts


    The old page I have bookmarked is long gone but here ya go, a bring back from Syria.
    https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C137752

    I believe Dale Martin has an 1822 in canvas as well.

    I know of no instances of US m1840 sabers being fielded in that leather covering but the heat issue and use of coverings only a border away.

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    Thanks Glen. The guard on my sword is smaller than the French 1822p as the American 1840 swords are, though there is some gilt on the front of the guard. I remember the French 1822p I once had, had a more substantial hilt.
    I had thought possibly some Canadian unit used surplus American swords but I've not seen any references to this.
    Only the part number of "69" is present, usually French swords have more identification on them.
    I have found a "C" on the blade spine near the guard.
    I wish I had one of the old American 1840's swords I used to own to compare to this one. The grip is only 4 inches long measured from inside and the oval of the guard just 2 1/4" wide.
    The blade is 35 5/8" long and 1 1/4" wide at the ricasso by 3/8" thick.

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    Very different from the typical French scabbards, even the leather or canvas covered ones. This looks very British. Interesting find!

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    Pig skin scabbard for a 1822 pattern-m1840 must be something sinister. Is the spine rounded, it looks rounded like m1860. Eric
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    Eric the spine is flat. Looks like British leather covering and has the British type sword frog strap.

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