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    Help with Initials

    Recently purchased a Royal Artillery sword with this crest and initials. I think they are a J and S but wanted to ask the experts. Does anyone have any idea about the family crest?

    thanks,

    bill
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    Hi Bill,

    Yes, I'd agree that these are J and S (see reference pics attached). On the crest, Fairbairn's Crests is the go-to guide - copies are available online or via a good second-hand book website such as Abebooks.

    Happy hunting!

    John
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    Is that a hand or...

    A mount vert, thereon between two branches of palm ppr a lions gamb erased and erect sa. holding a plume of five ostrich feathers gu.

    Joseph sladen of Kent, royal artillery 1859-1871

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    Joseph Sladen would work as the sword is dated to 1859. Now to get the record for a Wilkinson sword and see if it matches.

    Thanks very much.

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    Armsresearch.co.uk, Richard has the records. So the sword is a Wilkinson, the proof page may well answer and confirm James research. Usually after the Crimea War when not so busy Wilkinson's did a better job at entering the names and info. on the blade proof page.

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    Thanks Will. The letter has already been mailed. Now the wait until I hear back and we see if it matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Mathieson View Post
    Armsresearch.co.uk, Richard has the records. So the sword is a Wilkinson, the proof page may well answer and confirm James research. Usually after the Crimea War when not so busy Wilkinson's did a better job at entering the names and info. on the blade proof page.
    That's interesting Will. I know that the proof pages are patchy but it never occurred that the glut of work caused by conflicts would have an impact.

    Are you aware of specific research pointing towards that or is it just from experience?

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    James it's from experience. I own and have owned swords from different conflict periods and Crimea and WW1 seem to stand out with many swords lacking purchasers info on the blade proof page. India Mutiny did not have an effect. Matt Easton has posted a graph showing quantities made in regards to conflict dates.
    I would assume Wilkinson's had sales records that did have the buyers particulars so repeating the info on other records such as blade proof pages may have seemed redundant.

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    James it's from experience. I own and have owned swords from different conflict periods and Crimea and WW1 seem to stand out with many swords lacking purchasers info on the blade proof page. India Mutiny did not have an effect. Matt Easton has posted a graph showing quantities made in regards to conflict dates.
    I would assume Wilkinson's had sales records that did have the buyers particulars so repeating the info on other records such as blade proof pages may have seemed redundant.

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