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    US Civil War Bayoinet identification

    Hi all,

    I am trying to identify this Bayonet - I am told it is a Civil War US Enfield bayonet - but i can't find any documentation.
    My "problem" is that the "guard" is metal and not brass... Anyone that can help?

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    Thanks.

    Best regards
    Morten

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    Possibly for the British Snider, Egyptian use
    http://www.old-smithy.info/country%20sheets/egypt.htm

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    The "guard" usually is iron or steel, brass is too soft to do the job.

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    1856p British volunteer bayonets have brass guards as do some US, Danish etc. bayonets for Remington rolling blocks.
    This particular bayonet is for a Remington rolling block, the Sardinian brass hilted yataghan bayonet. See Collecting bayonets, J.A. Maddox page 114, #118

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    Great - thanks a lot guys...

    I can't seem to find what they are selling for? .. does anyone have a link or two to realized prices?

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    Value is often tough to judge and this board dissuades discussing values but in the end, an object is worth exactly what one will pay. Worthpoint offers a free trial, so that sale information is available if interested. More digging in a search might turn up the original dealer and sale, no doubt an old ebay sale.

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    Ebay results are highly questionable as only one person in the world was willing to pay that particular price. Who knows if the price was pushed for profit? Whether Ebay or auction house the consignour will lose 20% or more of the hammer price. With that in consideration you can knock off another 20% or more to have a price that will sell relatively quickly.
    I've seen identical items on Ebay sell one after the other, the second not attaining anything near the first, so where was the underbidder of the first item?
    Dealer pricing cannot reliably be used, I've seen some stock items later put to auction and sell for 1/5th the former asking price.
    The best way to find a $ amount is to sell it at auction. You must place it in a militaria auction to receive what it's worth. If using Ebay start at 99 cents, the bidders will push it up and it will sell. Use the set price feature and it will sit unsold unless the asking price is low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Mathieson View Post
    1856p British volunteer bayonets have brass guards as do some US, Danish etc. bayonets for Remington rolling blocks.
    #118
    Interesting. Do you have a link or a reference?

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    Just a quicky for the 1870 US sword bayonet. Similarly the yataghan bladed examples.
    https://www.cowanauctions.com/lot/mo...ayonet-3080698

    There are a couple of bayonet sites
    http://www.old-smithy.info/

    http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Ide...ion_guide.html

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    Then perhaps one of the earliest US sword bayonets, the Ames sapper bayonet of the late 1840s
    http://www.horsesoldier.com/products...bayonets/20865

    The Dalhgren bayonet also a brass fitment, along with others

    The British Brunswick (early and late) brass fitment sans muzzle ring
    Last edited by Glen C.; 08-27-2019 at 08:22 AM.

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    Hi all,

    Thanks for all your input - i really appreciate it.

    I believe that some of you are right, that it is a Sardinian / Italian bayonet.

    I came in a collection with two other not yet identified bayonets... the first one should be Italian as well... but i am not sure.. i once again would appreciate your help:

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    And the second one:

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    Thanks guys!!

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    Thank you for the links.. I live and learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Interesting. Do you have a link or a reference?
    I believe in my #4 post I listed a reference, a book that can be found online. The book does not include socket bayonets and is very good for bladed bayonets with grips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morten Pedersen View Post
    Hi all,

    Thanks for all your input - i really appreciate it.

    I believe that some of you are right, that it is a Sardinian / Italian bayonet.

    I came in a collection with two other not yet identified bayonets... the first one should be Italian as well... but i am not sure.. i once again would appreciate your help:

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    And the second one:

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    Thanks guys!!

    The bottom one was made by P. D. Luneschloss out of Solingen. I've seen the "P" expanded out as both "Peter" and "Paul", I guess depending on which time frame is being referenced.

    The pommel/handle/latch most closely resembles a FRENCH Model 1842 yataghan bladed bayonet, yet with a straight blade. No match in Jantzen's book. Still looking...

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