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    Help with Dog or Lion Head Hanger

    Hello All. Looking for help with an ID on this sword. It’s been circulating among collectors here in New York for 30 or more years. I just acquired it. Blade is 28”. Scabbard i was told is a repo but has British mark’s. Looking for any and all thoughts on this: date, country or origin, could it have been used in French & Indian or Revolutionary War by Americans?

    Thanks to Glen for all your help thus far , I welcome additional thoughts.
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    The sword is not British having a thumb ring and particular blade fullering. It's lions head, many were not very good likenesses. Dog s heads have floppy ears typically and a longer snout.
    The sword could be Dutch.

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    South Germany around 1750, grenadier or fusilier, probably officer.
    Scabbard is obviously not original.

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    Thanks Gentleman. So, around circa 1750, and, either Dutch or German. Anybody have pictures of a similar Dutch or German example?

    Yes, scabbard not original. I was wondering if this was an "original" to a more recent sword (with the broad arrow over S and K). Or is this simply a reenactors repo with British marks.

    Any additional thoughts on this sword, and the scabbard welcomed.

    Also, I assume storing the sword in the scabbard is "bad", holding in moisture?? And it's not original to the sword itself.

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    I have a somewhat similar sword I think with a dog's head Name:  71172494_10217676889686522_7739747306110451712_n.jpg
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    Erik Middleton

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    Swiss were also big fans of lion heads.
    La vida amable, el enemigo hombre fuerte, ordinario el peligro, natural la defensa, la Ciencia para conseguirla infalible, su estudio forçoso, y el exercicio necessario conviene al que huviere de ser Diestro, no ignore la teorica, para que en la practica, el cuerpo, el braço, y los instrumentos obren lo conveniente a su perfeccion. --Don Luis Pacheco de Narvaez.

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    Yes, during email discussion before posting, I had come across some Swiss influences

    https://www.invaluable.com/auction-l...3-c-7651aed86d
    https://www.faganarms.com/products/r...or-bern-canton

    and other hangers with thumb rings
    https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ian-1858372687

    I have also mentioned to Neil that any weapon preceding a conflict might have been used even generations after being first used.

    Cheers
    GC

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    I have seen a few of those in France reffered to as Swiss sabres.


    https://www.thierrydemaigret.com/lot/93553/9234571

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