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    Blucher 1811 info

    Hello all, welcome to 2020.

    As well as 20/20 vision, Iím also hoping to bring into focus and clear up some of my uncertainties on some of my pieces. Iím hoping Dale is out there, as I think he has answered this question a hundred times already and I havenít been able to afford Jeff Nollís book (which may also answer my question). Or if anybody else knows, I would be grateful.

    A Blucher 1811 model. Guard and scabbard marked 9.T.D.58. Iíll leave my guesses aside and look forward to what you have to say. The spine of the blade does not have a date, it is marked 445. The top scabbard ring band is marked 570R2.

    Thanks and here are the pics,

    Matt

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    Hi Matthew, I'm sure Dale will chime in soon. Based on Jeff Noll's book on Imperial German Regimental Markings your sword was issued to the 9th Pferd-Depot der Train-Abteilung, 58th man.
    In english this would be 9th Horse Depot, 58th man.

    Greg

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    Gentlemen: Pferde Depot of the 9th Train Battalion weapon # 58, Since it is ancient, I went by the older meaning...The numbers on the blade are not always dates, there was a fiscal accounting done in Prussia in the 1840's, so sometimes one finds these marks along with any acceptance and property marks and unit marks...I think the Abteilung was after 1914, so go with the ancient meaning!

    Dale

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    Dale, Greg, thatís wonderful!

    Thank you very much for taking the time. That clears up one piece! So it would be fair for me to say that it is 1840ís ish?

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    Two suspension rings on the scabbard and a hatchet point to the blade... certainly old style.

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    This particular model is made in the 1830's. In 1848, they adopted the new design, the unit marks are before 1900, and most likely from the war of 1870-71 or a bit later..

    Dale

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    Awesome, thanks Dale!

    While I don’t collect 19th century Prussian pieces, I love this one and use it on a regular basis for explaining to others the differences between the British 1796 and the Prussian 1811.

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