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    1805 Naval pattern

    Hi everyone,

    I thought I would share a recent acquisition with you. A British 1805 naval sword - the plain version, which I haven’t really noticed before on the market. Although, now that I have one, I am seeing them around once in awhile. It was quite dirty with the blade covered in active rust when it came to me and required some gentle conservation to save it.

    Matt

    Some before and after pictures...

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    That's a great rescue. I lack an 1805/. in my spadroon family and they are getting to be few and far between.

    Cheers
    GC

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    Thanks Glen.

    Yes, I still need the higher ranking officers version with the lion head pommel. But they seem to be a little more common than this one...I think...at least from what I have seen...

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    I like the looks of bird head pommels on a spadroon, not real common on the American side but I have one or two. Nice sword, Honey.
    The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." --- Tench Coxe

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    Thanks Eric. Thank you to Will Mathieson as well for some of the conservation tips he gave me.

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    I have an American version imported by Adam W. Spies. Although commonly referred to as a medical officer/surgeon sword, there is little evidence for this and appears to be based on one Navy surgeon having carried one. It is more likely it was used as a dress sword by Naval officers in general. I would love to be shown wrong on this, i.e. that this was actually a Navy surgeon's sword.

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    Matt your work greatly transformed the sword into a very presentable sword.

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    Hi Richard,

    Very interesting to see, thanks for sharing. I don't know if this information is of use (or maybe you already know about it), but a version of your sword (but with a bone grip and diamond shaped blade) is in Harold Peterson's book, The American Sword 1775-1945, sword 122 (in the soft back copy). He lists it there as a Naval Surgeon's Sword, 1820-1840. He also says that this style of sword was "thought" to be carried by medical officers, but also by line officers as they were known to carry the same swords. The example in the book has a diamond shaped blade instead of a spadroon blade, but I wouldn't think that would make much of a difference as I have examples of British 1796 pattern infantry officer's swords with both diamond and spadroon type blades - thought the diamond type seems more fragile.

    Like I say, I'm not sure if that helps and I couldn't find any other examples in any other books I have on American blades ( and I almost missed the one in Peterson's book until I looked closer).

    Matt

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