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    English Dirk Fouracres Exeter

    I acquired this from fleabay the other day. I find scant information and discussion for FOURACRES over EXETER. One thought that it refers to four acres in Sheffield. Another that there was a listing as an ironmonger and finally that retailer selling Joseph Rodgers & Son knives.

    The scabbard does seem similar to the Rodgers stuff. The style is definitely late Victorian and the piece may well be 20th century. The question would be how late? There are some worm holes in the back of the scabbard. The blade is 5 3/4" 10 1/2" overall. The knob does unscrew and there does seem to be a metal (white brass) in there. I am making no attempt to remove that but have cleaned out the inside a bit. There is a spring retention leaf down at the point. The auction photos for now.

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    Nice find Glen. This would be helpful if you could find one online:
    http://www.snaphaunce.com/catalogue/...om-about-1900/
    found a reprint: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...que-1755154525
    Last edited by Will Mathieson; 10-05-2021 at 07:24 AM.

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    George Fouracres was a cutler and Edwin George Fouracres was a cutler and surgical instrument maker in Exeter ca. 1820-1880, according to city directories.

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    Thanks. that is what I am finding. The Joseph Rodgers&Sons catalogs show very similar dirks, the guards identical. The blade is hollow ground and in working on it today, went ahead and touched up the edges. It could easily go to hair slipping in stropping but I just used rough glass. It is a dandy.

    I was seeing newspaper ads as late as 1894 for razors and EG referenced. His father died early. Both father and son had the same address. The grip is simplistic and like some of the surgical kits.

    Considering white brass/nickel silver was really only an advent the second part of the 19th century, I think we can place it fairly late and the Rodgers catalogs show dirks in the 1900 period. Those are clearly marked for her majesty, so its hard to say if Fouracres was retailing them. Or perhaps just the blades.

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    The latest listing that I can find for EGF is in Kelly's Directory of 1904.
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    And Kelly's Directory of 1890 has him listed as "Fouracres Edwin George, Bell inn, & wine & spirit merchant"!

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    Can you link to those or screen shots? Here is a Dad's and up to 1897 reference.

    FOURACRES, Exeter
    George Fouracres was a cutler at 2 South Street, Exeter, in 1824 and 1830
    (Pigot), followed by Edwin George Fouracres listed at the same address in 1844
    (Pigot), 1850 (White), 1862 (Harrison Harrod & Co.) and 1883 (Kelly). E.G.
    Fouracres was at 2 and 3 South Street in 1897 (Kelly). I have also seen the
    mark illustrated in Coin Monthly on the blade of a bone handled carving
    knife.


    Found in an odd place!
    https://www.thetokensociety.org.uk/pdf2/Volume_five.pdf

    Also on ancestry.com his will 1888-1889 and assets but I'm not subscribed to that service.

    FOURACRES Edwin George Personal Estate: £1,206 16s. 9d. Resworn March 1889: £1,006 16s. 9d. 26 June. The Will with a Cod...
    https://www.ancestry.com/search/coll...k=MDsxOTk5OzUw

    It has been pointed out that the knob is likely a drawer pull. It still acts as a belt stop. That doesn't really surprise me, nor that the leather might be aftermarket but there is no way to exhume the inner without cutting all the stitching as the end is larger and wouldn't slide out even if coaxed. It was stitched tight.

    The family was prodigious.

    Cheers
    GC
    Last edited by Glen C.; 10-06-2021 at 05:58 PM.

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    I had screenshot some directories yesterday and posted them to facebook.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition...J?hl=en&gbpv=0

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    1885, yup manufacturer of surgical tools.
    https://www.google.com/books/edition...J?hl=en&gbpv=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glen C. View Post
    Can you link to those or screen shots? Here is a Dad's and up to 1897 reference.

    FOURACRES, Exeter
    George Fouracres was a cutler at 2 South Street, Exeter, in 1824 and 1830
    (Pigot), followed by Edwin George Fouracres listed at the same address in 1844
    (Pigot), 1850 (White), 1862 (Harrison Harrod & Co.) and 1883 (Kelly). E.G.
    Fouracres was at 2 and 3 South Street in 1897 (Kelly). I have also seen the
    mark illustrated in Coin Monthly on the blade of a bone handled carving
    knife.


    Found in an odd place!
    https://www.thetokensociety.org.uk/pdf2/Volume_five.pdf

    Also on ancestry.com his will 1888-1889 and assets but I'm not subscribed to that service.

    FOURACRES Edwin George Personal Estate: £1,206 16s. 9d. Resworn March 1889: £1,006 16s. 9d. 26 June. The Will with a Cod...
    https://www.ancestry.com/search/coll...k=MDsxOTk5OzUw

    It has been pointed out that the knob is likely a drawer pull. It still acts as a belt stop. That doesn't really surprise me, nor that the leather might be aftermarket but there is no way to exhume the inner without cutting all the stitching as the end is larger and wouldn't slide out even if coaxed. It was stitched tight.

    The family was prodigious.

    Cheers
    GC
    Enter "fouracres edwin george" in quotation marks in Google Books, Any View, and you should see the listings for 1890 and 1904 Kelly's. (I have no patience for those damned long URLs.) Cheers!

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    Thanks!

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