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    Unhappy I'm out of a job. Need help..

    ...Writing a resume. Haven't done that in 23 years. Nothing fancy. need advice on some good online resources. Thanks, Jerry
    Barnyard bladesmith, burnt in the front, and frozen in the rear. Comic book metallurgist, too dumb to know that I can't do that.
    "I don't believe in the no-win scenario".. Captain Kirk.

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    I've been out of a job since June 07, and it has been difficult ever since. I will be starting a contract position next week, but its only temporary.

    To get the ball rolling I found this page on-line. (I know its simple, but it puts things in the right order)

    http://www.myfuture.com/toolbox/resumebuilder.html

    Good websites will often charge for additional services (but offer good tools).

    http://www.theresumebuilder.net/

    I do hope that you have at least some severance or qualify for unemployment benefits. Its not a lot, but it does help take the edge off of finances for at least a few months while looking for work.

    I have also found that State and Government resources are also quite helpful.

    http://www.workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/unemploy/

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    Twenty-three years ago, most resumes were printed on paper. You were supposed to impress people by the feel of the paper and your choice of typeface.
    Then they started scanning resumes, and if some typefaces didn't scan well, your resume went into the circular file.
    Now it's all online, and the strategy for resume writing has changed a little bit.
    Above all, put your strongest category (education, experience, skills) first, and let the "lighter" stuff fall in behind.

    Check out http://www.dice.com - every recruiter who has contacted me over the past five years has gone through them.

    Good luck, Jerry!
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    Jerry,

    I am a recruiter, if you want to PM me and email me your resume, I would be glad to take the time to go through it with you.

    Mike

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    Thanks all.

    I just now finished a bare bones resume. Took wayyy longer than I expected. 2 sandwiches and a 6 pack of soda

    Thank you my friends. Jerry
    Barnyard bladesmith, burnt in the front, and frozen in the rear. Comic book metallurgist, too dumb to know that I can't do that.
    "I don't believe in the no-win scenario".. Captain Kirk.

    It's good to be skilled, but better to be talented.
    It's good to be talented, but better to be gifted.
    It's good to be gifted, but best of all to be determined. - Me

    "The precise balance of brains and balls, will ALWAYS trump those who have too much of one, and not enough of the other". - me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Bennett View Post
    Thanks all.

    I just now finished a bare bones resume. Took wayyy longer than I expected. 2 sandwiches and a 6 pack of soda

    Thank you my friends. Jerry
    At least you were drinking soda and not beer. Beer REALLY changes the way a resume comes out!

    Hope you'e able to find something again soon.
    "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in an attractive and preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

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    Thank you Tracy.
    Day 1 of job hunting. No bites yet. I really minimized my resume. Could of put a lot more, but I figure an employer would rather be pleasantly surprised than unexpectedly disappointed.

    Been working in the shop, whipping up a knife to sell in the interim.
    Barnyard bladesmith, burnt in the front, and frozen in the rear. Comic book metallurgist, too dumb to know that I can't do that.
    "I don't believe in the no-win scenario".. Captain Kirk.

    It's good to be skilled, but better to be talented.
    It's good to be talented, but better to be gifted.
    It's good to be gifted, but best of all to be determined. - Me

    "The precise balance of brains and balls, will ALWAYS trump those who have too much of one, and not enough of the other". - me

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    Sorry to hear about your situation Jerry. Not the kind of thing I like to see when visiting SFI for the fist time in weeks.

    Look out for the Scunthorpe Effect (real economic loss suffered by the British town for having the string "****" in its name).

    The Wall Street Journal had an article last year about resumes getting much less exposure if they contain strings that trigger Spam filters. "Cum laude" and "specialist" (contains Cialis) were particularly damaging. Just another thing to worry about!

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    Hi ya Mike.
    Sure wished you were still in Portland. You could put in a good word for me to the blue guys

    I'm getting error messages on some sites when I try to up load my resume. "your document does not have a .doc extension" What the heck is that? Thanks, jerry
    Barnyard bladesmith, burnt in the front, and frozen in the rear. Comic book metallurgist, too dumb to know that I can't do that.
    "I don't believe in the no-win scenario".. Captain Kirk.

    It's good to be skilled, but better to be talented.
    It's good to be talented, but better to be gifted.
    It's good to be gifted, but best of all to be determined. - Me

    "The precise balance of brains and balls, will ALWAYS trump those who have too much of one, and not enough of the other". - me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Bennett View Post
    I'm getting error messages on some sites when I try to up load my resume. "your document does not have a .doc extension" What the heck is that? Thanks, jerry

    .doc is a extension for "document" which should be the default if using and saving with Microsoft Word, however if your using something like Open-Office or some other document program, check the options for the file-type you can save with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D. Opheim View Post
    .doc is a extension for "document" which should be the default if using and saving with Microsoft Word, however if your using something like Open-Office or some other document program, check the options for the file-type you can save with.
    Thanks Doug.
    I used MS word pad..
    Twenty-three years ago, most resumes were printed on paper. You were supposed to impress people by the feel of the paper and your choice of typeface....
    I vividly remember those days.
    I would drive 15 miles to town, to buy the best milled linen paper. I would type out the draught on a "typewriter". You know, the thing with an ink ribbon and striker keys like a piano. Then I would drive another 20 miles to the printers. I mean a REAL printer.

    When you would get the finals back from the printer, you could run your fingers across the paper and feel the type.

    You would never dare to show up to the interview, wearing nothing less than a coat, shirt and tie.

    Those days are gone forever. Man I feel old..
    Barnyard bladesmith, burnt in the front, and frozen in the rear. Comic book metallurgist, too dumb to know that I can't do that.
    "I don't believe in the no-win scenario".. Captain Kirk.

    It's good to be skilled, but better to be talented.
    It's good to be talented, but better to be gifted.
    It's good to be gifted, but best of all to be determined. - Me

    "The precise balance of brains and balls, will ALWAYS trump those who have too much of one, and not enough of the other". - me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Bennett View Post
    Thanks Doug.
    I used MS word pad..

    No worries, I would recommend using either MS Word or download Open Office so your can save your resume using said default extension.

    http://download.openoffice.org/index.html
    I'm lost---- I've gone to look for myself. If I should return before I get back, please ask me to wait.

    If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

    I work for Keyser Söze.

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    Sorry to hear, Jerry...

    I think one of the big questions that you need to ask yourself is whether or not you want to go back to doing the same type of work that you were doing previously, and in the same industry. If the industry is suffering from a long-term structural decline, going back may not be a feasible option.

    I have found that, depending upon your answer, you will need very different formats for your résumé.

    In the meantime, there is the issue of surviving financially. You may want to consider registering with several temp agencies. The hourly pay of an administrative temp is generally better than retail pay, and with better working conditions. Depending upon your severance package (if any), your savings may or may not be sufficient to weather a long-term job search.

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    Little trick for putting your best foot forward. You're at the company for the interview, right? They make you wait in the reception area at the front. Don't sit down. The last thing you want as a first impression is to be sitting and floundering around when your interviewer steps up.
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    Well, I've had a lot of help and advice from folks. Thanks, I appreciate it.
    Tomorrow is my first interview. Not looking forward, but will make the best of it. I'll yard out my Cerruti, polish up my Cole Hann's, and press my shirt. Wish me luck!
    Barnyard bladesmith, burnt in the front, and frozen in the rear. Comic book metallurgist, too dumb to know that I can't do that.
    "I don't believe in the no-win scenario".. Captain Kirk.

    It's good to be skilled, but better to be talented.
    It's good to be talented, but better to be gifted.
    It's good to be gifted, but best of all to be determined. - Me

    "The precise balance of brains and balls, will ALWAYS trump those who have too much of one, and not enough of the other". - me

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    good luck

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    How bizarre

    Thanks Dennis.

    This was a REALLY weird interview.
    OK, I get the call from the head hunter. Interview for management position. Well, I had only applied for at that time, a certain, large knife manufacturer near by. The address was next door to the very factory. I assumed it was the office area.

    Sooo, I arrive 10 mins late, (not my fault), get to the offices, and there is this weird corporate logo on the door, NOT the big knife maker. I get called in, not know where the hell I am, what the company does, not even the name of the company!

    Go through the interview, ( I thought what the heck> I need the experience). The guys are highly impressed, (they said so), and invite me to meet with their regional manger tomorrow.

    I ask for a card on the way out, and find out when I get home it's an insurance company!

    Can you imagine me as a manager in an insurance company LOL.

    It was pure coincidence that this place was right next to the big knife factory.....
    Barnyard bladesmith, burnt in the front, and frozen in the rear. Comic book metallurgist, too dumb to know that I can't do that.
    "I don't believe in the no-win scenario".. Captain Kirk.

    It's good to be skilled, but better to be talented.
    It's good to be talented, but better to be gifted.
    It's good to be gifted, but best of all to be determined. - Me

    "The precise balance of brains and balls, will ALWAYS trump those who have too much of one, and not enough of the other". - me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Bennett View Post
    It was pure coincidence that this place was right next to the big knife factory.....
    Yeah SUUUUUUUURE it was hehe . i wonder who moved in first ? GOOD LUCK JERRY~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!
    I dunno. Iron is sort-of the Paris Hilton of metals, and carbon, nickel, chromium silicon, etc. are a bunch of good looking guys she just met at a party. - Al Massey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Salvati View Post
    Yeah SUUUUUUUURE it was hehe . i wonder who moved in first ? GOOD LUCK JERRY~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!
    Totally Sam.
    I was expecting Rod Serling to step out of the shadows with a lit cigarette and his hand in his pocket; " Presented for your approval. Jerry Bennett. A middle aged man looking for employment. His only mistake was stopping to ask for directions. Only unbeknownst to him, was given the wrong direction. A left turn straight into... The Twilight Zone" *cue* theme.
    Barnyard bladesmith, burnt in the front, and frozen in the rear. Comic book metallurgist, too dumb to know that I can't do that.
    "I don't believe in the no-win scenario".. Captain Kirk.

    It's good to be skilled, but better to be talented.
    It's good to be talented, but better to be gifted.
    It's good to be gifted, but best of all to be determined. - Me

    "The precise balance of brains and balls, will ALWAYS trump those who have too much of one, and not enough of the other". - me

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    I can just see this now, Jerry with a large pointy, telling the sales staff that he truly believes in cutting out the non-productive salespeople!

    I'm sure they'll all sell more...with a little prodding...or poking!
    "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in an attractive and preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

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    Slashing the price of insurance for those who truly need it.

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    HAHAHA

    I really hate to turn down a potential job, but i know NOTHING about insurance. Except the duck and the gecko.
    Barnyard bladesmith, burnt in the front, and frozen in the rear. Comic book metallurgist, too dumb to know that I can't do that.
    "I don't believe in the no-win scenario".. Captain Kirk.

    It's good to be skilled, but better to be talented.
    It's good to be talented, but better to be gifted.
    It's good to be gifted, but best of all to be determined. - Me

    "The precise balance of brains and balls, will ALWAYS trump those who have too much of one, and not enough of the other". - me

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    I'll give you a tip Jerry - Managers usually come into a company knowing very little about the subject matter.

    Are you changing careers completely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat Rous View Post
    I'll give you a tip Jerry - Managers usually come into a company knowing very little about the subject matter.

    Are you changing careers completely?
    I'd like to get out of the commercial airline biz if I can. Too many strikes, lay offs, etc.

    It's been real interesting so far. Either I'm over qualified, and thus they think i wouldn't be happy. Especially when they see my pay from my last employer. Or as in the case where I applied for a metallurgist liaison, ( a go between for the lab and shop), for Wah Chang, and they said i was exactly what they were looking for, except I did not have a bachelor's.
    Too old, over qualified, under educated.
    Barnyard bladesmith, burnt in the front, and frozen in the rear. Comic book metallurgist, too dumb to know that I can't do that.
    "I don't believe in the no-win scenario".. Captain Kirk.

    It's good to be skilled, but better to be talented.
    It's good to be talented, but better to be gifted.
    It's good to be gifted, but best of all to be determined. - Me

    "The precise balance of brains and balls, will ALWAYS trump those who have too much of one, and not enough of the other". - me

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    Well,
    I'm back to work Monday.
    The strike ended with the ratification of the contract.

    I tried to use this window to change careers, but the economy didn't let me.

    Oh well. I'll put the golden hand cuffs back on, and carry on building jets.

    thanks very much for the advice, help, well wishes and support.
    Jerry, ( just another face in a red jumpsuit).
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    Last edited by Jerry Bennett; 11-01-2008 at 11:27 PM.
    Barnyard bladesmith, burnt in the front, and frozen in the rear. Comic book metallurgist, too dumb to know that I can't do that.
    "I don't believe in the no-win scenario".. Captain Kirk.

    It's good to be skilled, but better to be talented.
    It's good to be talented, but better to be gifted.
    It's good to be gifted, but best of all to be determined. - Me

    "The precise balance of brains and balls, will ALWAYS trump those who have too much of one, and not enough of the other". - me

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