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    Fahnenträger (Color Bearer) Sword M 1889

    Guys; Only the fellow carrying the flag had one of these isssued. Each batallion had one, and the Regimental color bearer had one, so 4 per regiment or so.

    This one is marked for the Lieb Gendarmerie, or Military Police that were sort of an escort unit.

    Made by P.D. Lünenschloss, accepted at Erfurt in 1904. Not a common sword like the IOD 89, rather hard to find, and even harder to find with the scabbard!

    Dale
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    These use the older 1860p fusiliers bayonet blade.

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    Dale,

    I have heard of these but never seen one. Thank you.

    George
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    A very rare sidearm Dale. Thanks for showing it.

    George
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    Fellows: Here is the Certificate of Authenticity that came with this weapon...I can really blame them for this, it does look like a Naval Cutlass..

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    When I see a Certificate of Authenticity in relation to anything, the item is guaranteed to be misrepresented out of ignorance or due to malice.

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    Correction! I was wrong!

    Guys: This is the model of 1899, as ordered to be provided for the flag bearers in Dec 1898. This one is for the Landespolitzei, not the Leibgendarmerie, the Leibgendarmes were usually mounted and did not use this weapon. The Landespolitzei were rural police under the control of the Prussian Army until 1918-1920.

    According to German sources, this weapon was issued to Infantry, Engineer, and Railway units, one per flag bearer. They further told me that only the NCO's of the L-Politzei carried this weapon and only after 1905. It is estimated that less than 500 were procured for this purpose. I have no information on the quantity used by the other units. Another German told me that the NCO's of the police carried the officers' fusilier saber and considered this weapon a "Demotion" of sorts when it was promulgated.

    To be clear, the police use was for NCO's, and not just flag bearers like the other users. I do not know what weapon the Police flag bearers had if any at all.

    Add: One German source states that only the Infantry carried this, other sources are as I have listed above...In any case, a rare weapon to find these days.

    "L.G." is actually "Landes Gendarmerie" but I used Police/Politzei to prevent confusion

    Dale
    Last edited by Dale Martin; 06-28-2021 at 10:47 PM.

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    If it was Fagan, always know anyway. I've bought a couple, knowing what I was looking at and not terrible prices at the time.

    The blade shape on this one could lead one to thinking something else. Confusion reigns at times and it was more than ten years before I stumbled on an answer (never really pursued a search) for a particular hilt. IIRC, Salter had the form listed as maybe Argentine, or it was a guess here but come to find this one and its siblings were common Dutch.

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    I go for the crazy weird stuff at times and occasionally find those oddballs quite interesting.

    Cheers
    GC

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